follow_the_pelican Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 [quote]Hardly so. We have the larger mountain to climb. The more Truth you have, the harder your task. We are called to sanctity. They are not. We have a HUGE task ahead of us, they have no need for sanctification. It is a plus to them, not a requirement. This makes it hard for us, not them. God bless, Mikey [/quote] not so sure on that one bro; with "more truth" comes a higher responsiblity. A responsibility to keep safe the deposit of faith that thas been intrusted to us. A responsiblity to live a life worthy of the trust that has been placed in us. And a responibility to live in a charitable manor hence attracting others through our actions and not neccesarily our words. We are all called to holiness, and through holiness, with the grace of God, leads us to sanctity. So, in that sence we are all called to sanctity. Ofcourse the heavier burden does fall on us due to the truth that we have embraced. However, we have been givin the graces to succeed...they have not. The only burden(persay)would be keeping the deposit of the faith safe. After that it is all down hill if we turn to the sacraments...we are doing what Christ entended, we are connecting the dots to salvation; and though they may come up with a semaler picture,they are still missing the full picture. yeah, thats my take on it yall God Bless and good night pelican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 THey receive graces, and we get tempted more so then they do. So yes, harder for us. We essentially said the same thing I think. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
follow_the_pelican Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I do not think it is a matter of who has it harder. You have been graced to have the whole truth, do not put those who have not down by saying that they have it easyer. We will only know in the world to come! peep you there bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 I do believe, however, that these aren't my own words. The more of the Truth you have, the more responsibility that is entrusted on you. Since we are called to a life of perfect sanctity, it would make sense that we have it the hardest, because we are entrusted with the knowledge of the full Truth. Again, the more of the Truth you know, the more you are called to do. This is also true of the heirarchy. The higher up you go, the more you are called to do. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 It's a very difficult and touchy arguement. I believe the sacraments help us get to heaven but there is evil that keeps us from the sacraments. Also, anyone who chooses not to use the sacraments and knows of them is in a worse position than someone who is ignorant of the sacraments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Even WITH the sacraments, the devil will send more temptation against a person who is holier. Good example, Fr. Pio God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Exactly, the sacraments make it easier to get to heaven but there are temptations that keep you away from them and God. The more you entake in the sacraments, the more you get tempted. You get tempted because the devil doesnt want u getting those sacraments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Aren't you agreeing with me... indirectly? God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
musturde Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Yes lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
follow_the_pelican Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 My final words will be...in saying that we have it "harder" it seems that you are speaking out of pride and not charity. We are all called to love,we are all called to sanctity,we are all called to the cross of Christ who is love. I am a seminarain, be it the will of the Father that I am a priest,then my life will be"harder";however, I will have recieved the graces to suceed. All I have to do is respond to the graces...respond in love. as a seminarian I do not claim my vocation to be "harder" than that of the laity. Though it often times it is viewed as such...I respond to the emediate graces that are granted me and go with the flow. the only "hard" thing I can thing I can think of is that it might be harder for some to respond to that grace than others. Hence, it could be said that it is "harder" for them to get there than us. We have been giving the grace to get there...they have not...well the fulness of what is there. Any way, I am tired and I have Latin in the morning so I am going to call it a night. How did this get in the music lounge any way...wait, I think it was in part due to me. I am to tired to think...keep me in you prayers! pelican p.s.(lets get a theologians opinion...Father Pontefix?) p.p.s.(I can always ask Father Peter, dean of men here at the Joss) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
follow_the_pelican Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 It is not by our merit that we gain sanctity;rather, the merit of the cross. We have to respond to the graces that our poured out from the Cross of Christ. But it is not of our own doing that we gain sanctity. It is the Cross that enables sanctity! How then can you judge who has it "harder"? lets say slavation is a boat and life is a river...well with the sacraments we have been granted paddles. We have paddles through the sacrament...they do not! I think it is best if we just drop this, for know one truly knows but the Father. And since he raraly posts here I dont think will know till some one older and wiser a.k.a a priest tells us so. pelican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 It seems like charity was lacking in this thread for a while...<tear>...but I just want to add my 2 cents... Protestantism isn't "easy"...I used to be United Methodist...[b]The devil still attacks you...If anything it would be harder because the Sacraments aren't present[/b]...Don't hasten to judge those you do not fully understand, and since we can never fully understand anyone to his/her completeness on Earth we should not judge anyone... -UIOGD- Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='inDEED' date='Aug 29 2004, 11:38 AM'] It is thinking like yours, MichaelFilo - that pushes people FROM Christ and His Catholic Church rather than draw them closer...It's a SHAME that you believe you're helping to reveal TRUTH and in doing so, are bringing hearts closer to Christ... This past weekend, the wife and I were walking down Mill Avenue - the popular college street here in Tempe and we had an encounter with some "streetpreachers" like the ones mentioned in Point 5's track... Once the young lady we encountered found out that we were Catholic, her judgement on us and our souls IMMEDIATELY cast us OUT of heaven and into HELL...She knew NOTHING about US, who we were, our souls, our actions, our beliefs, NOTHING...but, she DID know that we called ourselves, "Catholic"... I can only see the same thing happening here with the jugdement of this cat called, "The Saint"... Granted - as a Catholic person and emcee, I don't agree with him holding a Rosary on the front of his CD...but, I can tell you that WE as CATHOLICS CANNOT immediately say that he's destined for hell for turning away from the Church... I know a little bit about Fab...mostly because he MASTERED the entire FIRST Massmatics compilation, provided some DOPE BEATS (that he typically makes his living charging for) for FREE, and even donated $ to see the project happen...Why? Because it is HIS intention to promote Christ and the Kingdom of God in any way possible...EVEN if it's not directly in line with his own Christian belief.... MichaelFilo...I've seen A LOT of your posts around the Muzik section - many of them tend to cause separation rather than attempt to bring people together...My suggestion is that you recognize your place as a NEWBIE in this particular phorum and try to really understand WHO people are and WHERE they're coming from before you cast them to the fires of hell... My .75 cents... P.S. Fab - I love you, bro and thank God for your help and participation in our efforts...May Christ continue to bless you and yours... [/quote] inDEED, you and your tats are da bomb! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 [quote name='Fiat_Voluntas_Tua' date='Sep 2 2004, 11:19 AM'] It seems like charity was lacking in this thread for a while...<tear>...but I just want to add my 2 cents... Protestantism isn't "easy"...I used to be United Methodist...[b]The devil still attacks you...If anything it would be harder because the Sacraments aren't present[/b]...Don't hasten to judge those you do not fully understand, and since we can never fully understand anyone to his/her completeness on Earth we should not judge anyone... -UIOGD- Andy [/quote] We have more armor, but we are up for a greater battle. If you are a Protestant, you have battles, for your goal is Christ. For Catholics, we have wars to face, for our enemy isn't a demon, but instead the Devil himself. We have all the Truth. The followers of the Truth in it's fullness are to be tempted the most. If it weren't so, we'd have more Catholics and less Protestants. To suggest that the battle is harder against the devil outside the Church is a clear fallacy. The devil tempted Jesus the most of all ever to live, he tempted Peter to deny his Faith, he tempted Judas to turn in the Messiah. Catholics, even with Jesus constantly present in His fullness, had the hardest time staying true. It would be very wrong to suggest that having the sacraments somehow makes it easier than not having them. The fact we receive the sacraments, is the very reason we draw attention from the Lucifier. Since Protestants don't have the fullness of Faith, the devil need not tempt them from the sacraments, for they do not accept it. Please, point out where I judged anyone. God bless, Mikey Ps. I love you all, but really, I took special effort in my tired stupor to avoid condemning, judging, or making anyone fall away from the Faith. If I am to be blamed for expressing the teachings that were defined in the Council of Trent, then I am not guilty of anything more than loving my Faith, and in caring for those who follow it, I pointed out that heresy could be possible, and to watch out for it. I did nothing more than try to steer clear of a possible evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted September 2, 2004 Share Posted September 2, 2004 Michael, I would agree...the Devil attacks those who know the Truth more than those who do not know the completeness of Truth. Good Point. -UIOGD- Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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