Homosexuality

[OwNeD_byGoD]

please. i am in need of verses and proof and statements that condone homosexuality, because i dont think that catholicism is really opposed to it.
so please apologetics show.
and yes i am an orthodox catholic

[Laudate_Dominum]

you mean things that condemn homosexuality right? You accidentally said condone.

God bless

[MorphRC]

Condone means accept. lol

That word confused me a lot to.

[OwNeD_byGoD]

haha yes, condemn, sorry im not all there, i have resentment things in my head right now...

[MorphRC]

[url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/homosexuality.html"]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/homosexuality.html[/url]

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Gen. 1 & 2 - we see from the beginning that the complementarity of the sexes reflects God's inner unity and His creative power and Fatherhood. God created man and woman to become one flesh which is consummated in the act of marital love.

Gen. 19:24-28 - the Lord rained fire and brimstone on Sodom and Gomorrah as punishment for the sin of homosexuality.

Lev. 18:22, 29 - God commands a man never to lie with a male as with a female, or he will be cut off.

Lev. 20:13 - God says that if a man lies with another man, he shall be put to death. Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.

Deut. 22:5 - cross-dressing is also considered an abomination before God.

Matt. 19:6 - after referring to God's divine plan for man and woman, Jesus says a husband and wife become one flesh, which ultimately reflects God's union with humanity through the Church. Homosexual unions pervert this divine truth.

Rom. 1:26 - also, when a woman lies with another women, this is unnatural and a perversion. God wants His children to be pure and holy as He is holy.

Rom. 1:27 - homosexuality is called shameless, unnatural and a perversity. It is contrary to the natural law.

1 Cor. 6:9 - homosexuality is not part of God's plan for His kingdom. Homosexuals must seek forgiveness and become chaste.

1 Tim. 1:10 - sodomites are called ungodly and sinners, unholy and profane, lawless and disobedient. They are called by God to chastity. It is important to note that homosexual attractions and inclinations are not by themselves sinful. It is the acting out on homosexual attraction that is sinful. Those with homosexual desires can still live a life worthy of Christ by remaining chaste and pure as they abstain from acting out on their desires.

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[Laudate_Dominum]

lol, I was going to get my Bible and find quotes. Why didn't I know of scripturecatholic.com? hehe

[MorphRC]

[url="http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2357.htm"]http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/2357.htm[/url]

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2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered." They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Aug 25 2004, 06:49 PM'] lol, I was going to get my Bible and find quotes. Why didn't I know of scripturecatholic.com? hehe [/quote]
coz ur a schmuck..lol j/k

[iwantacoke]

thank you morphy for the verses, I knew a few of them but not all of them, I have had people ask me where being gay is a sin in the bible, and that will give me some others verses to add

[cmotherofpirl]

Having a same-sex attraction is disordered but not sinful in itself.
Acting on it is the sinful part.

[iwantacoke]

thats what I ment, I know being gay isn't a sin but t he act it self is

[MorphRC]

[quote name='iwantacoke' date='Aug 25 2004, 08:41 PM'] thank you morphy for the verses, I knew a few of them but not all of them, I have had people ask me where being gay is a sin in the bible, and that will give me some others verses to add [/quote]
yw

[OwNeD_byGoD]

[url="http://www.truluck.com/html/six_bible_passages.html"][enjoy][/url]

ok, so much homosexuality bashing on part of the catholic church, how about some defense...

[Phazzan]

[quote name='OwNeD_byGoD' date='Aug 26 2004, 03:26 AM'] [url="http://www.truluck.com/html/six_bible_passages.html"][enjoy][/url]

ok, so much homosexuality bashing on part of the catholic church, how about some defense... [/quote]
I sense some ambiguity in your original post. Did you say you don't really think Catholicism is opposed to homosexuality? Cause that's how I interpreted it.

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

[quote name='OwNeD_byGoD' date='Aug 26 2004, 03:26 AM'] [url="http://www.truluck.com/html/six_bible_passages.html"][enjoy][/url]

ok, so much homosexuality bashing on part of the catholic church, how about some defense... [/quote]
Been reading some of this page.

First, the author makes an assertion that "[n]o Jewish scholars before the first Christian century taught that the sin of Sodom was sexual." What is his basis for Jewish teaching before the first century A.D.? He does not cite any sources that explain what the sin of Sodom is. Notice that he must qualify this statement with "before the first Christian century." One can find many Church fathers who outright condemn the sin of Sodom as homosexuality. Was this something that all of a sudden many people just thought of? If the teaching prior to this was that the sin of Sodom was a lack of hospitality, surely we'd see a Church father speak out against this sudden change in a teaching or that this new teaching is wrong. The fact is we don't.

The rest of his arguments seem to center around the idea that homosexual acts were a part of pagan culture at the time and that the condemnation against homosexual acts was really a condemnation at paganism. Even so, 1 Corinithians 6,9 is not written in the context of paganism. It condemns behavior and not the context of the behavior. If Paul wanted to emphasize that homosexual acts can be integrated into Christian life (which they can't), he would have said that homosexuality is okay in a Christian context but not in a pagan context. The fact is no such address against homosexuality in a Christian context is needed because [b][u]you cannot have homosexual activity in a Christian lifestyle!!![/u][/b] Pardon my harshness, but homosexual acts are pagan.

Third, his translation argument is weak because no possible word existed that translated directly to the modern english 'homosexual.' This argument is heard time and time again on other topics such as abortion and masturbation. If the word itself isn't in there, then it must be okay according to these folk. The fact is that Sodomite was a very sufficient word for homosexual for a long time and people knew exactly what was meant by it.