Sinner Posted August 30, 2004 Share Posted August 30, 2004 All scholarly stuff and official definitions aside. And I have learned alot about the Faith from this post..... But from a simpletons viewpoint: -If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.... its probably a duck. -If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and crows like a rooster.... its very possibly not a duck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 What if he walks like a peacock, crows like a rooster, but claims to be a duck? The Holy Father and various bishops conferences around the world have reiterated, time and again, the responsibility of all Catholics--and especially those in public life--to foster a culture of life. In 1998 the US bishops released a document called [i][u]Living the Gospel of Life[/u][/i]. In that document--released as the debate on partial-birth abortion was paramount--the bishops affirmed: [b]"Catholics who... Serve in public leadership positions have an obligation to place their faith at the heart of their public service, particularly on issues regarding the sanctity of human life. We urge those Catholic officials who ... depart from the Church teaching on the inviolability of human life in their public life ... to reflect on the grave contradiction of assuming public office and [i]presenting themselves as credible Catholics [/i][COLOR=red]when their actions on fundamental issues of human life are not in agreement with Church teaching .... No appeal to policy, procedure, majority will, or pluralism ever excuses a public official from defending life to the greatest extent possible."[/b] (my emphasis added) So Kerry is a heretical Catholic who presents himself as a credible Catholic. A credible Catholic, he is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kateri05 Posted August 31, 2004 Share Posted August 31, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Aug 24 2004, 12:11 PM'] Hahaha...they can try me. I'll go to prison for tax evasion first. [/quote] what state do you live in? you might already be paying for state-funded abortions. i just found out that i was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Hes only catholic, coz he wants votes. His wife was on 20/20, and she supports abortion as well. So they are both non-catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 (edited) Pray for John Kerry. *edited because I'm too confused* Edited September 1, 2004 by Ash Wednesday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 If you: - Deny Christianity [Apostacy] - Willingly Accept a known Heresy - Willingly deny basic doctrine/dogma - Willingly and Knowingly go against basic Church teaching You cut yourself of from Catholic Unity, hence, heretic. Or if you deny the whole thing, apostate. ============================================= [b]Saint Robert Southwell, S.J. (died A.D. 1595):[/b] "Embrace His mercy before the time of rigour and return to His Church lest He debar you from His kingdom. He cannot have God for his Father who does not possess the Catholic Church for his Mother. Turn now the bias of your heart towards the Sanctuary of Salvation and the city of refuge." [i]English Marytr during the Reformation.[/i] [b]Saint Peter Canisius S.J., Doctor, (died A.D. 1597):[/b] "Outside of this communion, as outside of the ark of Noah, there is absolutely no salvation for mortals: not for Jews or pagans who never received the faith of the Church, nor for heretics who, having received it, corrupted it; not for schismatics who left the peace and unity of the Church; and finally neither for the excommunicated or those who for any other serious cause deserve to be put away and separated from the body of the Church like pernicious members. For the rule of Cyprian and Augustine is certain: he will not have God for his Father who would not have the Church for his mother." ([i]Catechismi Latini et Germanici[/i]) [b]Pope Leo XII, A.D. 1823-1829:[/b] "It is impossible for the most true God, who is Truth Itself, the best, the wisest Provider, and rewarder of good men, to approve all sects who profess false teachings which are often inconsistent with one another and contradictory, and to confer eternal rewards on their members. For we have a surer word of the prophet, and in writing to you We speak wisdom among the perfect; not the wisdom of this world but the wisdom of God in a mystery. By it we are taught, and by divine faith we hold, one Lord, one faith, one baptism, and that no other name under heaven is given to men except the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth by which we must be saved. This is why we profess that there is no salvation outside the Church. [...] For the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. With reference to those words Augustine says: "If any man be outside the Church he will be excluded from the number of sons, and will not have God for Father since he has not the Church for mother."" ([i]Ubi Primum[/i]) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 14/21: [url="http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo12/l12ubipr.htm"]http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Leo12/l12ubipr.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 So if someone is apostate, are they still a Catholic? So Muhammad Ali is still a Catholic? He was baptised one before converting to Islam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted September 1, 2004 Share Posted September 1, 2004 Morph, you are an information Ninja. :ph34r: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilovechrist Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 [quote name='megamattman1' date='Aug 24 2004, 09:46 AM'] Most Catholics see through Kerry's morality anyway. I wouldn't be surprise if him claiming to be Catholic is actually hurting him with Catholics. [/quote] unfortunately, i see this to be false. many Catholics that i have met with have expressed interest in voting for him, just because they don't like the way Bush has been running things. "i know he's for abortion... but i still am for him, for he can be a much better prez than Bush." it's horrible that so many Catholics aren't educated like they [i]NEED[/i] to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Sep 1 2004, 07:21 PM'] So if someone is apostate, are they still a Catholic? So Muhammad Ali is still a Catholic? He was baptised one before converting to Islam. [/quote] No he wasnt. You cant be Catholic and totally abandon the faith. If thats right, then i was still catholic back in june and july, so dust labelled me wrong [according to that thinking]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flip Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 I'm Catholic... .well im not actually. im converting. I do have the One Faith though, just not the confirmation part...that comes in Easter... ok, go back to talking about kerry..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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