MorphRC Posted September 7, 2004 Author Share Posted September 7, 2004 You have PHatmasser, thought u were in Non-Catholics? Btw u werent ignored..ntmk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briguy Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hi All, I said the ignored thing because I poured a lot of heart into my last post and, well, no one responded to it. This means one of two things. Either it was so poorly worded that it was not worth responding to or it was so good that no one could counter it. I lean towards the latter What about anyone else? In Christ, Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 (edited) [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Sep 5 2004, 11:04 PM'] Icthus, regardless of how hard one might attempt to minimalize the theological differences between Sacramental and non-Sacramental Protestants, it is a huge theological discrepancy, and to claim a unity of faith between the two groups is simply a logical fallicy, for their faith is not the same. [/quote] I'm not trying to minimize the differences between sacramental and non-sacramental Protestants - [i]I am denying that they (Pentecostals, anabaptists, etc) are Protestants!![/i] Perhaps I didn't make that clear enough previously. Edited September 10, 2004 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Completely unrelated Icthus, but do you regard Eastern Rite Catholics as Romanists? God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 (edited) [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 5 2004, 11:22 PM'] it is. Ok. Yet your looking for a church, which would obviously have those boundaries. [/quote] Yes. Your point being? If I were to settle on a denomination, I would not claim that the Church of Christ subsided therein (in fact, all the Reformed confessions and catechisms that I have read deny that the Church of God subsists in any one denomination). I wouldn't go around saying "The Lutherans are the True Church! Everybody who is not a Lutheran is going to Hell" - in fact, the Lutheran confessions explicitly deny this! [quote name='The Augsburg Confession' date=' Article VIII']Also they ([i]the Churches of the German Reformation[/i]) teach that one holy Church is to continue forever. The Church is the congregation of saints, in which the Gospel is rightly taught and the Sacraments are rightly administered. And to the true unity of the Church [i]it is enough to agree concerning the doctrine of the Gospel and the administration of the Sacraments.[/i] [u]Nor is it necessary that human traditions, that is, rites or ceremonies, instituted by men, should be everywhere alike. As Paul says: One faith, one Baptism, one God and Father of all[/u], etc. Eph. 4, 5. 6. [/quote] Edited September 10, 2004 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 [quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Sep 9 2004, 09:30 PM'] Completely unrelated Icthus, but do you regard Eastern Rite Catholics as Romanists? God bless, Mikey [/quote] I regard them as Roman Catholics because they submit to the Bishop of Rome. 'Romanist' is a derogatory word used by the Reformers that many Roman Catholics find offensive, and I really should stop using for the sake of charity because it is wholly unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 eeek, if you regard us as Roman Catholics....... then..... you don't believe in the Eastern Rites! . Anyways I won't comment anymore, back to your dicussion guys, I enjoy reading it. I can't really comment, as I am very confused about justification myself. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Sep 10 2004, 01:04 PM'] Yes. Your point being? [/quote] Point?.. Cause you said YOU DIDNT BELIEVE IN THAT. Now you dont care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted September 10, 2004 Author Share Posted September 10, 2004 (edited) [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Sep 10 2004, 01:07 PM'] I regard them as Roman Catholics because they submit to the Bishop of Rome. 'Romanist' is a derogatory word used by the Reformers that many Roman Catholics find offensive, and I really should stop using for the sake of charity because it is wholly unnecessary. [/quote] They cant be Roman Catholics, if you knew ANYTHING about Rites, then you'd know that being a Roman Catholic means that you belong to the Roman Style of Liturgy and traditions, unlike say Byzantine Rite, which is eastern and does different traditions, and differing ways to do their liturgy. So calling them Roman Catholic is not only offensive, but ignorant. Edited September 10, 2004 by MorphRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Briguy Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Please guys, put me out of my misery and just tell me no one wants to discuss with me, please, please please, -Brian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 But we do, we are just famous for getting sidetracked. [i]cracks the whip...[/i] back on topic please... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Sep 9 2004, 11:42 PM'] They cant be Roman Catholics, if you knew ANYTHING about Rites, then you'd know that being a Roman Catholic means that you belong to the Roman Style of Liturgy and traditions, unlike say Byzantine Rite, which is eastern and does different traditions, and differing ways to do their liturgy. So calling them Roman Catholic is not only offensive, but ignorant. [/quote] Well, we don't consider you the "catholic church" - so, we designate all who are under the Bishop of Rome to be Roman Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Sep 10 2004, 01:54 PM'] Well, we don't consider you the "catholic church" - so, we designate all who are under the Bishop of Rome to be Roman Catholics. [/quote] This is simply an inaccurate description of the situation. I am Eastern Catholic in communion with the Pope, but I am not a "Roman" Catholic, I am a Catholic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted September 10, 2004 Share Posted September 10, 2004 Then you are a Roman Catholic! I don't see why you aren't, since the Pope is the Bishop of Rome... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted September 11, 2004 Share Posted September 11, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Sep 10 2004, 04:59 PM'] Then you are a Roman Catholic! I don't see why you aren't, since the Pope is the Bishop of Rome... [/quote] I am in communion with the Pope, but I am not "Roman". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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