MorphRC Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 Hey All. Whats this Infused Justification? I know what Justification is, and how it applies, but whats the difference between 'normal' justification and infused justification? Arigato :chinese: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 23 2004, 01:10 AM'] Hey All. Whats this Infused Justification? I know what Justification is, and how it applies, but whats the difference between 'normal' justification and infused justification? Arigato :chinese: [/quote] Infused justification is "normal" justification, because when God justifies a man by grace, He really, and not in mere appearance, makes that man just. God pours His life and energy into man, moving man from a state of mortal sin and death, to a state of grace and life. The justified man actually becomes a participant in the divine nature and is sanctified in the process. Thus, to be justified is to be sanctified, and these two "things" are inseparably connected, one does not happen without the other. So, I'm not sure I understand what it is you are asking. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 23, 2004 Author Share Posted August 23, 2004 ICHTUS was saying that Infused Justification is wrong. Let me re-read what he/she wrote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 for some groups, infused justification is incompatible with their soteriological system. but for Catholics normal justification is infused justification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 23, 2004 Author Share Posted August 23, 2004 [quote]At any rate, Rome makes us depend on Christ's work in us (infused justification), rather than Christ's Work on the Cross, independent of our own merit, for our salvation. In a sense, she wants Christ to help us get to Heaven on our own strength, rather than to depend solely on Him, despair over our own strength and willpower, and be justified solely by faith in His Divine Mediatorship before the Father. (Imputed righteousness) [/quote] That Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 23 2004, 01:44 AM'] ICHTUS was saying that Infused Justification is wrong. Let me re-read what he/she wrote. [/quote] ICTHUS is now a Calvinist, and so he rejects the Catholic doctrine that says that what God declares to be so, is ontologically true. Therefore, when God justifies a man, the man in question is really made just; in other words, all that is truly sinful in that man is removed and the man is sanctified by God's grace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 how is Christ's work in us relying on our own strength? thilly. the correct understanding does not seperate Christ's work on the Cross from Christ's work in us. Salvation is essentially association with the Paschal Mystery, and the process of sanctification is the reality of Christ's work being more and more actualized in us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 23 2004, 01:50 AM'][quote]At any rate, Rome makes us depend on Christ's work in us (infused justification), rather than Christ's Work on the Cross, independent of our own merit, for our salvation. In a sense, she wants Christ to help us get to Heaven on our own strength, rather than to depend solely on Him, despair over our own strength and willpower, and be justified solely by faith in His Divine Mediatorship before the Father. (Imputed righteousness)[/quote] That [/quote] ICTHUS, like the Reformers before him, holds that sin is greater than God's grace, and that grace cannot really remove sin, but can only "cover" it up. This position was rejected by the Council of Trent as incompatible with both Scripture and Tradition. If God declares a man to be just, that man is really made just. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 23 2004, 03:44 AM'] ICHTUS was saying that Infused Justification is wrong. Let me re-read what he/she wrote. [/quote] ICTHUS is a dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 [quote name='Laudate_Dominum' date='Aug 23 2004, 02:00 AM']ICTHUS is a dude. [/quote] LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laudate_Dominum Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 :rotfl: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 23, 2004 Author Share Posted August 23, 2004 Ok Let me get this worked out: Not only do they reject that God destroys sin from us, but only covers it up, but they are against us making the first act, IE accepting Christ as Saviour etc, thats wrong to them also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 23 2004, 11:38 AM'] Ok Let me get this worked out: Not only do they reject that God destroys sin from us, but only covers it up, but they are against us making the first act, IE accepting Christ as Saviour etc, thats wrong to them also? [/quote] Yes. It's all God and man has no free will in the matter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 infused is the opposite of imputed. Some, esp Calvinists and Lutherines, say that Grace is imputed on us, and that we are thus like snow covered dung. But then why did God look at us and say that we were made [i]very[/i] good. Ave Maria, James III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 23 2004, 07:38 AM'] Ok Let me get this worked out: Not only do they reject that God destroys sin from us, but only covers it up, but they are against us making the first act, IE accepting Christ as Saviour etc, thats wrong to them also? [/quote] The Church teaches that a man, prior to receiving God's grace, can do nothing in order to merit grace, but once God infuses His grace into a man, and puts him into a state of sanctifying grace, then the man in question can perform supernatural acts, ". . . for God is at work in [him], both to will and to work for His good pleasure." [Philippians 2:13] God's grace heals, perfects and elevates man, bringing him into a supernatural communion with the Triune God, and as a consequence of this, it is true to say that it is God who acts, [i]in[/i], [i]with[/i], and [i]through[/i] the justified man, in order to bring him to salvation. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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