The Catholic Church Is The Whore Of Babylon

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' date='Aug 21 2004, 05:05 PM'] ONE WORLD RELIGION---Catholic Church interfaithsim....CHECK

GOLDEN CHALICE.....CHECK

7 HILLS....CHECK

ON MANY WATERS--WORLD WIDE ORGANIZATION....CHECK

FORNICATION WITH KINGS.....CHECK

PURPLE AND RED OUTFITS....CHECK

AND MANY MORE

HEY WHAT IS THE WHORE OF BABYLON THEN TO CATHOLICS?

Remember the whore will consist of more then Catholic Church, it will be a worldwide system fronted by the AntiChrist, it will include worldwide government-, one world religiuon centered in interfaithism movement and will have plenty of apostate Protestants involved even.

The Catholic Church is forming the religious end of things, tied into the governmental--UN

There will be Catholics who refuse this system, most now have their posts banned on this board.

The False Prophet most likely will be a Roman Catholic Pope. [/quote]
1. Interfaith Relations are not advocating one world religion. Neither the Catholic Church nor the other involved religions believe us to be calling ourselves one world religion. We believe in different things. By the very definition of "interfaith," we acknowledge that there are at least two faiths, religions, involved, and so you are either intrinsically incorrect or you use a misnomer.

2. Please elaborate on your Golden Chalice premise.

3. The Vatican City does not lie withing the seven hills of Rome.

4. Certainly Christ intended for His Church to be world-wide. Whether you believe the Catholic Church is the Church of Christ or not, you must then admit that being world-wide is only coincidental with the Whore of Babylon and not causal.

5. Since when is the Catholic Church the only organization to be involved with politics? Surely you can't attribute this only to the Catholic Church?

6. Since when is the Catholic Church the only organization to have red and purple garments?

The Whore of Babylon to Catholics was the Roman Empire. Recall that the Roman Empire suppressed the Christians and the Jews (see Massada) and was very secular, enforcing Paganism on all its people. Recall that a golden chalice would be a symbol of the incredible wealth from which the Romans drank their fill. Recall that the city of Rome lays between seven hills. Recall that Rome controlled almost all the known world of that time. Recall that Rome was not only involved in world wide politics with kings, but also had many sexual scandals (e.g. fornication). Recall that in Rome, red was the color of the military and purple was the color of the nobles. Recall that the ancient Greek texts display the anti-Christ with the number value of 616 and the Latin with the value of 666. Doesn't it seem interesting that 616 and 666 equal the letter value of the name of Nero in each respective language?

How does the papacy relate to these things?

[reelguy227]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Aug 21 2004, 04:23 PM'] 1. Interfaith Relations are not advocating one world religion. Neither the Catholic Church nor the other involved religions believe us to be calling ourselves one world religion. We believe in different things. By the very definition of "interfaith," we acknowledge that there are at least two faiths, religions, involved, and so you are either intrinsically incorrect or you use a misnomer.

2. Please elaborate on your Golden Chalice premise.

3. The Vatican City does not lie withing the seven hills of Rome.

4. Certainly Christ intended for His Church to be world-wide. Whether you believe the Catholic Church is the Church of Christ or not, you must then admit that being world-wide is only coincidental with the Whore of Babylon and not causal.

5. Since when is the Catholic Church the only organization to be involved with politics? Surely you can't attribute this only to the Catholic Church?

6. Since when is the Catholic Church the only organization to have red and purple garments?

The Whore of Babylon to Catholics was the Roman Empire. Recall that the Roman Empire suppressed the Christians and the Jews (see Massada) and was very secular, enforcing Paganism on all its people. Recall that a golden chalice would be a symbol of the incredible wealth from which the Romans drank their fill. Recall that the city of Rome lays between seven hills. Recall that Rome controlled almost all the known world of that time. Recall that Rome was not only involved in world wide politics with kings, but also had many sexual scandals (e.g. fornication). Recall that in Rome, red was the color of the military and purple was the color of the nobles. Recall that the ancient Greek texts display the anti-Christ with the number value of 616 and the Latin with the value of 666. Doesn't it seem interesting that 616 and 666 equal the letter value of the name of Nero in each respective language?

How does the papacy relate to these things? [/quote]
Good points ,sounds all true although Im not some sort of Theologian or Apologist.

[MC Just]

sorry Ya'll I should have use my brain (peanut sized thing) before I started pranking...

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Aug 21 2004, 06:16 PM'] sorry Ya'll I should have use my brain (peanut sized thing) before I started pranking... [/quote]
However the pranking has offered a nice opportunity to educate a non-Catholic, it can't be entirely bad.

[Norseman82]

MC Just, I think there are doctors that treat multiple personality disorders...



In fact, I think one of my other personalities happens to be one!

[Budge]

Its late but I can answer this part for now..I believe Revelation is multilayered...ie Nero and Rome prefigured what was to come...

[quote]
How does the papacy relate to these things? [/quote]

The connection between Rome and the Catholic church of today is strong...

The Catholic church is the marriage of pagan Rome and Christianity and the Bible warns of a counterfeit church to come. The AntiChrists church is being formed now and it preaches the false gospel of Peace with interfaithism Daniel 8:25 By Peace he shall destroy many.

Many things connect from Roman pagan culture to the Roman Catholic church. All you have to do is look to know they mixed Roman paganism with Christianity. I will include more about Constantine later. I wont be able to cover every pagan collusion but I have found more then a few:

Copy and paste links if they dont go direct here.

h45t
[url="http://mtc.org/purgtory.html"]http://mtc.org/purgtory.html[/url]

2. [b]PONTIFEX MAXIMUS Roman title[/b] for emperors adopted and used for POPES (who lived far more like Roman emperors then like Jesus Christ)

1. Popes inherited this title--we all know it is a title for the Pope

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01022a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01022a.htm[/url]
[quote]Pont. Max. -- Pontifex Maximus ("Supreme Pontiff") [/quote]

Euro coin with picture of Pope JPII and title Ponifex Maximus:
[url="http://www.eurocollections.com/catalog/?category=120&product=494"]http://www.eurocollections.com/catalog/?ca...120&product=494[/url]

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_maximus"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontifex_maximus[/url]

[quote]Pontifex Maximus

the Roman Republic the Pontifex Maximus was the most important religious official in Romeand the head of the Roman religion[/font]. He was the most important of the Pontifices, which were positions in the main sacred college (Collegium Pontificum), which was directed by the Pontifex Maximus. Other members of this priesthood included the Rex Sacrorum (king of the sacred rites), the Flaminii, and the Vestales. The number of Pontifices, elected by cooptatio, was originally six, but this number increased to fifteen in the 1st century BC. The Pontifices served for life. The office came into its own with the abolition of the monarchy, when the sacral powers previously vested in the king were transferred either to the Pontifex Maximus or to the Rex Sacrorum.

The Pontifex was not simply a priest. He had both political and religious authority. It is not clear which of the two came first or had the most importance.

The Pontifices had many relevant and prestigious functions, such as keeping the official minutes of elected magistrates (see Fasti), and the so-called "public diaries", the Annales maximi. They also collected information related to the Roman religious tradition into a sort of corpus which summarised dogma and other concepts, similar to later compilations of law in Jurisprudence.[/quote]

www.ancientworlds.net/aw/GroupPosition/73547

The Pontifex Maximus is the leader of the Collegium Pontificium, the highest priests
who supervise the Calendar, the Vestal Virgins, and the other priesthoods.


SO TODAY THE POPE HOLDS THE SAME TITLE AS THE HEAD PRIEST OF ROMAN PAGANISM!:eek



3. Connection of Pagan Vestal Virgins to nuns:

[url="http://www.realm-of-shade.com/RomanaeAntiquae/religion.html"]http://www.realm-of-shade.com/RomanaeAntiquae/religion.html[/url]

[url="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0684849437/104-0069139-8053521?v=glance"]http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...053521?v=glance[/url]

[quote][b]Readers who consider celibacy the exclusive domain of priests and nuns are in for a big surprise[/b]. Elizabeth Abbott's entertaining history traces over 3,000 years of sexual abstinence and illustrates how it has been practiced all over the world for a variety of reasons, both religious and secular. [b]A History of Celibacy begins with the ancient Greek deities, Athena, Artemis, and Hestia, for whom celibacy was a means of liberation from traditional female servitu[/b][/quote]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15321c.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15321c.htm[/url]

[quote]It was natural that the bride of Christ should, as the [font color=blue size=5]vestal virgins had done[/font], [b]adopt the veil,[/b] which thus symbolized not so much the purity as the inviolable fidelity to Christ which was to be reverenced in her. "There is here", said St. Optatus, "a sort of spiritual marriage" ("De schismate Donatistarum", VI; P. L., XI, 1074).[/quote]

4. The Modified JUPITER statue turned into St. Peter with the toe worn down by Kissing.

[url="http://www.tagnet.org/llt/sm02.htm"]http://www.tagnet.org/llt/sm02.htm[/url] (SDA website but has lots of pictures)

There is some controversy about this statue, some Catholics say it is from middle ages but this is interesting:

from Innocents Abroad by Mark Twain

[quote]The guide showed us a colossal statue of Jupiter, in the Vatican,[/font] which he said looked so damaged and rusty -- so like the God of the Vagabonds -- because it had but recently been dug up in the Campagna. He asked how much we supposed this Jupiter was worth? I replied, with intelligent promptness, that he was probably worth about four dollars -- may be four and a half. "A hundred thousand dollars!" Ferguson said. Ferguson said, further, that the Pope permits no ancient work of this kind to leave his dominions. He appoints a commission to examine discoveries like this and report upon the value; then the Pope pays the discoverer one-half of that assessed value and takes the statue.



[b]Todays COLLUSION WITH PAGANISM:[/b]



[url="http://sxws.com/charis/odds3.htm"]http://sxws.com/charis/odds3.htm[/url]

[quote][b]
With word images, I have tried to describe the curious blending of Mayan offerings and sacrifices concomitant with Catholic masses in churches in Guatemala.[/b] The pagan festivities of Mexico's Day of the Dead, in which the Catholic church is a central player, have been painted on the canvas of this board several times. [b]Without exception, every reference to Roman Catholic accommodation to pagan religion has been discounted by Catholic Church 'apologists,' who declare that these events are but aberrations and do not reflect the teachings of the Mother Church[/b]. My response is that, whether they reflect the teachings of Rome or not, they ARE practiced in Roman Catholic churches and Roman Catholic priests officiate in the rites.[/quote]



[b][u]One thing you will notice is Catholic Apologists always DEFEND the collusion of Christianity with PAGANISM!!!(IVE SEEN THIS HERE TOO!)[/b][/u]

This continues to this day:

[url="http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ct_babylon.html"]http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/mischedj/ct_babylon.html[/url]


[quote]crucial point that Hislop entirely fails to engage is that [font color=red size=5]the "Christianisation" of pagan ideas has a *****ural basis, believe it or not, because even pagan things have some truth mixed in with their errors, and they can be purified and used to better express Christian truth[/font]. :x Provided it is no longer being used to honour a pagan god, there is nothing wrong with taking an aspect of something non-Christian and using it in a Christian setting. It is an indisputable fact that Jesus Christ has the power to purify pagan things so that they can be put to use in a Christian context; this is what happens, after all, whenever a pagan converts to become a Christian[/quote].


From interview in April 18.2002 The Wanderer

Author of book called [i]"Triumph: The Power and the Glory of the Roman Catholic Church[/i]:

[quote] It was the Church’s genius to [b]marry their virtues with the virtues of high Roman civilization[/b] and incorporate both within the Church,[/font] consecrating formerly barbarian swords for Christian ends, reconciling barbarian concepts of honor and loyalty with Catholic concepts of faith and fidelity. In the book, I refer to the Dark Age newly Catholic tribes as “Bikers for the Bishop of Rome.” I find them much better company than the perfervid, oft-schismatic Eastern church[/quote]

Some interesting history

[url="http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/rev17-pictures-Catholic Church.html"]http://www.wayoflife.org/fbns/rev17-pictures-Catholic Church.html[/url]

Other book quotes:

First notice the collection of documented quotes that are (thank to the WWW) are extremely easy to research as authentic... (For additional documented historic quotes click here)

LC quoted this one on other boards:

Cardinal Newman admits in his book that; the "temples, incense, oil lamps, votive offerings, holy water, Holidays, and seasons of devotion, processions, blessings of the fields, sacerdotal vestments, the tonsure (of priests, munks and nuns), images, and statues... [b]are all of PAGAN ORIGIN[/b][/font]." -The Development of the Christian Religion Cardinal Newman p.359

The penetration of the religion of Babylon became so general and well known that Rome was called the "New Babylon" -Faith of our fathers 1917 ed. Cardinal Gibbons, p. 106

"In order to attach to Christianity great attraction in the eyes of the nobility the priests adopted the [b]outer garments and adornments which were used in pagan cults[/b]." -Life of Constantine, Eusabius, cited in Altai-Nimalaya, p. 94
(I can provide link for the above off the Medieval Sourcebook from Fordham University.)

"The Church did everything it couldto stamp out such 'pagan' rites, [b]but had to capitualet and allow the rites to continue with only the name of the local diety changed to some Christian saint's name[/b]-Religious Tradition and Myth. Dr. Edwin Goodenough, Professor of Religion, Harvard University. p. 56, 57

"Confiding then in the power of Christianity to resist the infection of evil, and to transmute the instruments and appendages of demon worship to an evangelical use[b] the rulers of the church from early times were prepared should occasion arise, to adopt, or imitate, or sanction the existing rites and customs of the populace."[/b]-Development of Christian Doctrine, Cardinal Newman. p. 372

(Which they still do today)

"...The world, cloaked with a form of righteousness, walked into the church. Now the work of corruption rapidly progressed. ][b]Paganism, while appearing to be vanquished, became the conqueror.[/b] Her spirit controlled the church. Her doctrines, ceremonies, and superstitions were incorporated into the faith and worship of the professed followers of Christ."[/font] -The Great Controversy, p. 50





[b]Psalms 118:8,
“It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.”[/b]

Maybe now youll know what I mean;)

Edited August 22, 2004 by Budge

[Justified Saint]

Yeah, it is very late for you.

Of course you stop well short of any implication that the entire Christian religion is just one big Pagan mess which is what logically follows.

It seems that often when Christians feel a challenge to their faith they just dump it on the Catholics. I guess that is to be expected though - Catholics were there first.

Edited August 22, 2004 by Justified Saint

[MorphRC]

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[color=gray][font="Times"][b]The Whore Of Babylon - Apo. 17[/b][/color][/font]
[b]Apocalypse 17 Explained.[/b]
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[b]Basic Scripture Used To Attack The Church:[/b]

Apocalypse 17:1-3
Apocalypse 17:4-6
Apocalypse 17:7-11
Apocalypse 17:12-17

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[b]I[/b] will begin from the top as follows: Apocalypse 17:1-3; 17:4-6 and so on, down the list of Scriptural References.

[b]Bible Translations Used:[/b]

Latin Vulgate: 409AD - Abbreviated: [LV 409AD]
Douay Rheims: 1609AD - Abbreviated: [DR 1609AD]

[b]Source[S]:[/b]

[url="http://www.latinvulgate.com/"]Latin Vulgate & Douay Rheims Version - 409AD : 1609AD.[/url]

[b]Note:[/b] All Sources are given, in proper [i]bibliographic setting[/i].

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[b]Apocalypse 17:1-3[/b]

1. et venit unus de septem angelis qui habebant septem fialas et locutus est mecum dicens veni ostendam tibi damnationem meretricis magnae quae sedet super aquas multas

2. cum qua fornicati sunt reges terrae et inebriati sunt qui inhabitant terram de vino prostitutionis eius

3. et abstulit me in desertum in spiritu et vidi mulierem sedentem super bestiam coccineam plenam nominibus blasphemiae habentem capita septem et cornua decem[LV 409AD]

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1. And there came one of the seven angels who had the seven vials and spoke with me, saying: Come, I will shew thee the condemnation of the great harlot, who sitteth upon many waters:

2. With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication. And they who inhabit the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her whoredom.

3. And he took me away in spirit into the desert. And I saw a woman sitting upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.[DR 1609AD]

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[b]1. The judgment is announced[/b]

This scene is a flash-back, focusing on the most significant element of the judgment which has just been completed. What John is about to be shown1 needs to be comprehended in the light of revelation; hence the expression 'in the spirit'.2 John is taken into the wilderness: a place of deeper perception and interiorisation.

The image of a whore is used in the Old Testament for infidelity towards Yahweh,3 with special reference to the achieving of commerical greatness through the exercise of injustice.4

The whore seated on many waters is Rome whose empire was largely based on her maritime strength. The kings of the earth (1:5) have gone along with the value system of Rome and are besotted with the benefits which they have derived from it. The imagery used in this passage had been used of Babylon:

You [inhabitants of Babylon] who live by many waters, rich in treasures, your end has come, the thread of your life is cut. - Jeremiah 51:33

Babylon made all the earth drunken; the nations drank of her wine and so the nations went mad. Suddenly Babylon has fallen! - Jeremiah 51:7

When John says that he was carried into a wilderness, he may also be refering to the desoation that he is about to witness.5

As whirlwinds in the Negeb sweep on, it comes from the desert, from a terrible land. A stern vision is told to me; the betrayer betrays, and the destroyer destroys. - Isaiah 21:1 (re Babylon's fall.)[b][S][/b]

1: See 1:1; 4:1; 21:9,10; 22:1,6,8
2: See 1:10; 4:2, 21:10.
3: For example, Hosea 1-3; Isaiah 1:21; 57:7-13; Jeremiah 3:1,,4:4
Ezekiel 16:23-63; Psalm 73:27.
4: Tyre: Isaiah 23:16; NinevehL nahum 3:1-7
5: See 17:16. Also 12:6-14

[S]- [i]The Apocalyse, An Introductory Commentary[/i], by Michael Fallon, MSC. Chevalier Press 2002. Nihil Obstat: Rev. Wim Hoekstra, B. Th., L.S.S., Imprimatur: + John Heaps, D.D., V.G., Sydney, N.S.W. NRSV Used.
[S]- [i]The Apocalyse, An Introductory Commentary[/i], by Michael Fallon, MSC. Chevalier Press 2002. Pg 96, Interlude: The Fall of Rome.

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[b]Apocalypse 17:4-6[/b]

4. et mulier erat circumdata purpura et coccino et inaurata auro et lapide pretioso et margaritis habens poculum aureum in manu sua plenum abominationum et inmunditia fornicationis eius

5. et in fronte eius nomen scriptum mysterium Babylon magna mater fornicationum et abominationum terrae

6. et vidi mulierem ebriam de sanguine sanctorum et de sanguine martyrum Iesu et miratus sum cum vidissem illam admiratione magna [LV 409AD]

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4. And the woman was clothed round about with purple and scarlet, and gilt with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand, full of the abomination and filthiness of her fornication.

5. And on her forehead a name was written: A mystery: Babylon the great, the mother of the fornications and the abominations of the earth.

6. And I saw the woman drunk with the blood of the saints and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. And I wondered, when I had seen her, with great admiration. [DR 1609AD]

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[b]53[/b]

[b]4.[/b] [i]a golden cup in her hand:[/i] The inhabitants of the earth drink out of this cup (v2); cf. Jer 25:15-29; 51:7, Cebes 5.1-2 (see The Tabula of Cebes [ed. J.T. Fitzgerald and L.M. White; Chico, 1983]).

[b]5.[/b] [i]forehead:[/i] Roman prostitutes wore labels bearing their names on their foreheads (Charles, Commentary 2. 65). The image also brings to mind the characterizations of the followers of the Lamb and of the beast (7:3; 9:4; 13:16, 14:1,9; 20:4; 22:4). a mystery: In early Christian literature, mysterion was used for a heavenly secret revealed to humanity by God. Such a secret might involve present but hidden realities, the future, or the interpretation of difficult texts (usually Scripture); see Mark 4:11 par: Rom 11:25; 16:25; 1 Cor 2:7; 15:51; Eph 1:9, Col 1:26; 2 Thess 2:7; Rev 1:20; 10:7 (-> Colossians, 54:17, Ephesians, 55:17).[b][S][/b]

[b]6 [6b-18][/b] An interpretation of the vision is here given.[b][S1][/b]

[b][S]-[/b] New Jerome Biblical Commentary, 2nd Edition, Published 1990, Reprint: 1995,1996 & 2000. Authors & Editors: Raymond E. Brown, S.S., Joseph A. Fitzmyer, S.J. & Roland E. Murphy, O'CARM. Nihil Obstat & Impartiur
[b][S]-[/b] NJBC, 2nd Ed. Pub. 1990, Repr: 1995,1996 & 2000. - Page 1012, The Apocalyse (Revelation) (17:1-18:1), [63:53-54], 53.
[b][S1]-[/b] USCCB NAB: Revelation 17:6 [Footnote]

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[b]Apocalypse 17:7-11[/b]

7. et dixit mihi angelus quare miraris ego tibi dicam sacramentum mulieris et bestiae quae portat eam quae habet capita septem et decem cornua

8. bestiam quam vidisti fuit et non est et ascensura est de abysso et in interitum ibit et mirabuntur inhabitantes terram quorum non sunt scripta nomina in libro vitae a constitutione mundi videntes bestiam quia erat et non est

9. et hic est sensus qui habet sapientiam septem capita septem montes sunt super quos mulier sedet et reges septem sunt

10. quinque ceciderunt unus est alius nondum venit et cum venerit oportet illum breve tempus manere

11. et bestia quae erat et non est et ipsa octava est et de septem est et in interitum vadit [LV 409AD]

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7.And the angel said to me: Why dost thou wonder? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman and of the beast which carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

8.The beast which thou sawest, was, and is not, and shall come up out of the bottomless pit and go into destruction. And the inhabitants on the earth (whose names are not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world) shall wonder, seeing the beast that was and is not.

9.And here is the understanding that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, upon which the woman sitteth: and they are seven kings.

10.Five are fallen, one is, and the other is not yet come: and when he is come, he must remain a short time.

11.And the beast which was and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction. [DR 1609AD]

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[b]7 [8][/b] Allusion to the belief that the dead Nero would return to power (Rev 17:11); see the note on Rev 13:3.

[b]8 [9][/b] Here is a clue: literally, "Here a mind that has wisdom." Seven hills: of Rome.

[b]9 [10][/b] There is little agreement as to the identity of the Roman emperors alluded to here. The number seven (Rev 17:9) suggests that all the emperors are meant; see the note on Rev 1:4.

[b]10 [11][/b] The beast: Nero; see the note on Rev 17:8.[b][S][/b]

[b][S][/b] USCCB NAB: Revelation 17:7-11 [Footnotes]

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[b]Apocalypse 17:12-17[/b]

12. et decem cornua quae vidisti decem reges sunt qui regnum nondum acceperunt sed potestatem tamquam reges una hora accipiunt post bestiam

13. hii unum consilium habent et virtutem et potestatem suam bestiae tradunt

14. hii cum agno pugnabunt et agnus vincet illos quoniam Dominus dominorum est et rex regum et qui cum illo sunt vocati et electi et fideles

15. et dixit mihi aquas quas vidisti ubi meretrix sedet populi sunt et gentes et linguae

16. et decem cornua quae vidisti et bestiam hii odient fornicariam et desolatam facient illam et nudam et carnes eius manducabunt et ipsam igni concremabunt

17. Deus enim dedit in corda eorum ut faciant quod illi placitum est ut dent regnum suum bestiae donec consummentur verba Dei [LV 409AD]

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12.And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom: but shall receive power as kings, one hour after the beast.

13.These have one design: and their strength and power they shall deliver to the beast.

14.These shall fight with the Lamb. And the Lamb shall overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings: and they that are with him are called and elect and faithful.

15.And he said to me: The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples and nations and tongues.

16.And the ten horns which thou sawest in the beast: These shall hate the harlot and shall make her desolate and naked and shall eat her flesh and shall burn her with fire.

17.For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled. [DR 1609AD]

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[b]11 [12-13][/b] Ten kings who have not yet been crowned: perhaps Parthian satraps who are to accompany the revived Nero (the beast) in his march on Rome to regain power; see the note on Rev 13:3. In Rev 19:11-21, the Lamb and his companions will conquer them.

[b]12 [16-18][/b] The ten horns: the ten pagan kings (Rev 17:12) who unwittingly fulfill God's will against harlot Rome, the great city; cf Ezekiel 16:37.[b][S][/b]

[b][S]-[/b] USCCB NAB: Revelation 17:12-18 [Footnotes]

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The victory of the risen Christ is declared in verse fourteen. Those with him are the 144,000 of 14:1-5: those who, here on earth, are faithful to the call and the choice to be disciples of Jesus in effecting the reign of God. 'Lord of lords' and 'Kings of kings' are titles taken from the Old Testament.1

The waters of verse fifteen represent all the subject peoples of the empire.

John takes many of his images from the Hebrew Bible: 'desert (see Ezekiel 26:19 in reference to Tyre); 'naked' (see Ezekiel 16:39 in reference to Jerusalem); 'hate': (see Ezekiel 23:29); 'devour her flesh' (see Psalm 27:2 and Micah 3:3); 'burn her with fire' (see Jeremiah 34:22).

He declares that the power of Rome will be broken through revolt from within the empire (17:16).[b][S][/b]

1: 'Lord of lords': Deutronomy 10:17; Psalm 136:3; 'king of kings': 2 maccabees 13:4; (Also, 'Lord of kings', Daniel 2:47).

[b][S]-[/b] [i]The Apocalyse, An Introductory Commentary[/i], by Michael Fallon, MSC. Chevalier Press 2002. Nihil Obstat: Rev. Wim Hoekstra, B. Th., L.S.S., Imprimatur: + John Heaps, D.D., V.G., Sydney, N.S.W. NRSV Used.
[b][S]-[/b] [i]The Apocalyse, An Introductory Commentary[/i], by Michael Fallon, MSC. Chevalier Press 2002. Pg 98, 2: Rome to be destroyed.

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Your gonna have to make up some better 'scholarship' than look at the purple vestments. Do you even know why they are purple? Or is the colour purple, just all evil now?

[MorphRC]

[quote]The False Prophet most likely will be a Roman Catholic Pope.
=Budge[/quote]

Then why hasnt the Church accepted Muhammad as a Prophet? or Monatus? or some of the leaders of the Knights Templar? or Joseph Smith?

Edited August 22, 2004 by MorphRC

[dUSt]

Okay. I'll be honest. I don't read posts if they can't fit in one screen. Call me lazy.

[MorphRC]

[url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06583a.htm"]Gloria in Excelsis Deo[/url]

[quote]After that, Advent was gradually considered a time of penance in imitation of Lent. The Te Deum and Gloria were left out during it, and the use of purple vestments introduced. [/quote]

Purple is the coloured used for penance rites [i believe], when you go to confession the priest always has a the purple 'scarf'. Im sure Al can get the correct Latin for that. Its got nothing to do with Babylon, heck I could say the Priesthood of Judaism is pagan, just cause it wasnt the first Priesthood, pagans had them 1000's of years before, in ireland, scandenavia and Asia.

Your logic of this kind of connection is to be frank buggered. This wouldnt even get thru a hearing for trial, let alone pass God.

[Laudate_Dominum]

*yawn*

I wonder what's going on in Open Mic at this hour..

[MorphRC]

Something wrong with my stuff laud?

[MorphRC]

[quote name='dUSt' date='Aug 22 2004, 04:29 PM'] Okay. I'll be honest. I don't read posts if they can't fit in one screen. Call me lazy. [/quote]
As long as he reads it. Plus its kinda hard to debunk such a generalized and stupid interpretation in.. like 20-30 lines properly.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 22 2004, 01:07 AM'] Something wrong with my stuff laud? [/quote]
not at all. it's not you, its the topic. it gives me flashbacks of a time when there were at least three whore of babylon threads going at once... you had to be there.