Budge Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 [color=red][Edited by dUSt: Spam][/color] Go to thread on my board to read. Contradicts even endless Popes before him. [quote]POPE: I BOW TO FREEDOM, FRATERNITY AND EQUALITY(AGI) - Tarbes, France, Aug 14 - When pope John Paul II got to France, he wanted to pay homage to the constitutive values of this country and in his first speech he conjugated the great Christian heritage" with the ideals coming from the French revolution: freedom, fraternity and equality[/quote] Yes he did say it, there are secondary sources backing it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 (edited) Keep it in context. He didnt praise the revolution and what happened, but what came from it. Do you know how Louis treated the french people! They ate 4 wk rotten apples, drank from sewers. Might wanna read up on Louis XVI I believe it was. [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13009a.htm"]http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13009a.htm[/url] Edited August 20, 2004 by MorphRC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 [b]coming from the French revolution[/b] [b]coming from the French revolution[/b] [b]coming from the French revolution[/b] [b]coming from the French revolution[/b] [b]coming from the French revolution[/b] COMING FROM. OY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 the revolution itself was bad, for it started a persecution of the Church. but the reasons for it were basically just, seeing as these ppl were treated unfairly. values=good actions=bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Ditto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 You crack me up with this crack. Next you will say the Pope is a worm, becuase he kisses dirt, which means that he eats dirt, (some say worshiping dirt), just like worms... And I too, like franternity, equality, and freedom...does that mean that I am evil? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 Budge. Honest question... Do you ever pray for an open heart to hear God's will? What about praying for an increase in humility (removal of pride)? Be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.R.D Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 yea man prayer is an ultimate weapon....... may-b u should try it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pio Nono Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 JMJ 8/20 - St. Bernard of Clairveaux Don't forget that "liberte, fraternite, egalite" are principles that the Revolution lifted straight from Christianity - they were ours first. The French Revolution took them and screwed them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Theoketos' date='Aug 21 2004, 04:10 AM'] You crack me up with this crack. Next you will say the Pope is a worm, becuase he kisses dirt, which means that he eats dirt, (some say worshiping dirt), just like worms... And I too, like franternity, equality, and freedom...does that mean that I am evil? [/quote] Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucho Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Pio Nono' date='Aug 20 2004, 08:54 PM'] JMJ 8/20 - St. Bernard of Clairveaux Don't forget that "liberte, fraternite, egalite" are principles that the Revolution lifted straight from Christianity - they were ours first. The French Revolution took them and screwed them up. [/quote] Bravo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Budge Posted August 21, 2004 Author Share Posted August 21, 2004 You all make excuses for everything. I could write "Soviet Glulags were evil and people here would write... But Communism is a good thing, people working together in the fields...:drool Its one thing Ive noticed about this place, youd all make good lawyers, here I have a lot of you telling me the French Revolution was a good thing when ironically they did what they could to even take your own church out. Do you all even realize how the modern Humanist movement and more are related to the French Revolution? I didnt think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Revolution=bad franternity, equality, and freedom=good very simple when unclouded by the desire to find sinister plans behind every statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Budge' date='Aug 21 2004, 04:08 PM'] You all make excuses for everything. I could write "Soviet Glulags were evil and people here would write... But Communism is a good thing, people working together in the fields...:drool Its one thing Ive noticed about this place, youd all make good lawyers, here I have a lot of you telling me the French Revolution was a good thing when ironically they did what they could to even take your own church out. Do you all even realize how the modern Humanist movement and more are related to the French Revolution? I didnt think so. [/quote] No one would say that the Gulags were good. If you wrote the Pope praises the gulags, we would then tell you that are mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chucho Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Morph said, " [i]He didnt praise the revolution and what happened, but what came from it[/i]." AL said, "[i]the revolution itself was bad[/i] ..." However Budge, you say, "here I have a lot of you telling me the French Revolution was a good thing ..." ?? No, no one has said that the FR was good. We know better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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