MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 22 2004, 12:07 AM'] Yes. As a former protestant this book sickens me for the sake of my fellow protestant brethren. It's a poor testimony to the work which many good protestant Christians do to further the work of the kingdom. [/quote] Work of the kingdom? No offence to your background and all, but heresy dont work towards the Kingdom. It works against it, by spreading the wrong msg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 Found this Link: [url="http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/keating1.htm"]http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/keating1.htm[/url] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Spotlight on Loraine Boettner's "Roman Catholicism" -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter and the Papacy Chapter 17, CATHOLICISM and FUNDAMENTALISM - The Attack on "Romanism" by "Bible Christians" 1 by Karl Keating [url="http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/keating1.htm"]http://members.lycos.co.uk/jloughnan/keating1.htm[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 21 2004, 10:56 AM'] Work of the kingdom? No offence to your background and all, but heresy dont work towards the Kingdom. It works against it, by spreading the wrong msg. [/quote] Non-Catholics are indeed, Christians, as affirmed by the Church. While non-Catholics hold to many heresies, this does not stop them from working for the kingdom of God. Clothing the naked Feeding the hungry Caring for the sick Housing the homeless Meeting the needs of Ophans and widows All are work for the kingdom. Not all that Protestants teach is heresy either. The Trinity The Bible as inspired, inerrant Word of God Sunday worship and the list goes on. They are separated brethren, but brethren none-the-less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Share Posted August 21, 2004 Yes, Keatings book is very popular, I suggest you get it if you have the means to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 22 2004, 02:06 AM'] Non-Catholics are indeed, Christians, as affirmed by the Church. While non-Catholics hold to many heresies, this does not stop them from working for the kingdom of God. Clothing the naked Feeding the hungry Caring for the sick Housing the homeless Meeting the needs of Ophans and widows All are work for the kingdom. Not all that Protestants teach is heresy either. The Trinity The Bible as inspired, inerrant Word of God Sunday worship and the list goes on. They are separated brethren, but brethren none-the-less. [/quote] Hindus, Buddhists, Shintoists, Sufis, Sikhs do: Clothing the naked Feeding the hungry Caring for the sick Housing the homeless Meeting the needs of Ophans and widows That is just called humanitarianism. Helping fellow man, your doing a godly act, anything more than that...i dont think so. [quote]Not all that Protestants teach is heresy either. The Trinity The Bible as inspired, inerrant Word of God Sunday worship and the list goes on.[/quote] So does every other Christian, doesnt mean they work for God, like the Catholic Church does. [quote]They are separated brethren, but brethren none-the-less.[/quote] True, but not in Christ. Only thru Adam and Eve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 22 2004, 02:07 AM'] Yes, Keatings book is very popular, I suggest you get it if you have the means to [/quote] I loved it! Well worth the money, thats for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Share Posted August 21, 2004 non-Catholic Christians are indeed brothers in Christ by means of their baptism. It is a heresy to believe otherwise as you reduce baptism to symbolism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Share Posted August 21, 2004 non-Catholic Christians are indeed brothers in Christ by means of their baptism. It is a heresy to believe otherwise as you reduce baptism to symbolism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 22 2004, 02:49 AM'] non-Catholic Christians are indeed brothers in Christ by means of their baptism. It is a heresy to believe otherwise as you reduce baptism to symbolism. [/quote] Once you follow a heresy, that connection is broken. And your a heretic -non-catho christian. Im sure The Pope Pius that stated that the unity of a person to the Church is severed if they disbelieve in the Assumption of Immaculate conception. Let me get the quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 This solemnly proclaimed doctrine is expressly termed a "doctrine revealed by God." Pope Pius IX adds that it must be "firmly and constantly believed by all the faithful." Consequently, whoever does not make this doctrine his own or maintains an opinion contrary to it, "is shipwrecked in faith" and "seperates himself from Catholic Unity" Pope John Paul II, General Audience of June 12, 1996 on 'Pius IX Defined the Immaculate Conception'. [b]Source:[/b] [i]A Catechesis on Mary, Mother of God[/i]: John Paul II, Theotokos, Woman, Mother, Disciple. Pg 102 '[i]Pius IX Defined the Immaculate Conception[/i]'. Pauline Media, 2000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Share Posted August 21, 2004 It was Pope Piux XII on November 1, 1950 who said that and you are taking it out of context, and no better than Boettner I might add. If someone fully believes that the Catholic Church is the one true Church and yet denies what she teaches, knowing that she teaches truth, then the person is in mortal sin. Protestants however do not full under Catholic law and thus are Christians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted August 21, 2004 Author Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 21 2004, 12:30 PM'] This solemnly proclaimed doctrine is expressly termed a "doctrine revealed by God." Pope Pius IX adds that it must be "firmly and constantly believed by all the faithful." Consequently, whoever does not make this doctrine his own or maintains an opinion contrary to it, "is shipwrecked in faith" and "seperates himself from Catholic Unity" Pope John Paul II, General Audience of June 12, 1996 on 'Pius IX Defined the Immaculate Conception'. [b]Source:[/b] [i]A Catechesis on Mary, Mother of God[/i]: John Paul II, Theotokos, Woman, Mother, Disciple. Pg 102 '[i]Pius IX Defined the Immaculate Conception[/i]'. Pauline Media, 2000. [/quote] Catholic unity, yes, Christiandom, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 21, 2004 Share Posted August 21, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 21 2004, 12:30 PM'] This solemnly proclaimed doctrine is expressly termed a "doctrine revealed by God." Pope Pius IX adds that it must be "firmly and constantly believed by all the faithful." Consequently, whoever does not make this doctrine his own or maintains an opinion contrary to it, "is shipwrecked in faith" and "[b]seperates[/b] himself from Catholic Unity" Pope John Paul II, General Audience of June 12, 1996 on 'Pius IX Defined the Immaculate Conception'. [b]Source:[/b] [i]A Catechesis on Mary, Mother of God[/i]: John Paul II, Theotokos, Woman, Mother, Disciple. Pg 102 '[i]Pius IX Defined the Immaculate Conception[/i]'. Pauline Media, 2000. [/quote] hence the term "seperated brethren" Catechism of Pope St. Pius X [quote]29 Q: But if a man through no fault of his own is outside the Church, can he be saved? A: If he is outside the Church through no fault of his, that is, if he is in good faith, and if he has received Baptism, or at least has the implicit desire of Baptism; and if, moreover, he sincerely seeks the truth and does God's will as best he can such a man is indeed separated from the body of the Church, [b]but is united to the soul of the Church [/b]and consequently is on the way of salvation [/quote] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 22 2004, 03:00 AM'] It was Pope Piux XII on November 1, 1950 who said that and you are taking it out of context, and no better than Boettner I might add. If someone fully believes that the Catholic Church is the one true Church and yet denies what she teaches, knowing that she teaches truth, then the person is in mortal sin. Protestants however do not full under Catholic law and thus are Christians. [/quote] Lol Pope John Paul II said that. This is a direct transcript from the speech to the book. And what it says is plain and simple, if you dont believe in the I.C. you break yourself from Catholic Unity, hence your a heretic or 'seperated brethren' as V2 put it. And dont [b]YOU DARE[/b] compare me to Boettner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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