MorphRC Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [color=green][font="Times"][b]Catholicism's Place In the First Cent. - Our Father / Lord's Prayer -> The Didache[/b][/color][/font] [color=red][b]Key Words: Eucharist & Didache[/b][/color] [b]T[/b]his isnt straight forward, obvious evidence, but indirect evidence through the Encarta scholars, so some explaining is required. The following evidence was found in the '[i]Our Father / Lord's Prayer[/i]' article but had 2 key passages that indirectly supported not only Catholicism in the first century, but the Mass. I will post the part of article that relate and bold the key parts, followed by evidence to support the [i]Didache[/i] and the word [i]Eucharist[/i] in it. [b]-----------------------------------------------------------------------[/b] [b]Lord's Prayer[/b] Lord's Prayer or Our Father, the only formula of prayer attributed to Jesus Christ in the New Testament and the most widely used prayer of Christians. It appears in two forms. A longer form in Matthew 6:9-13 is a part of the teaching on prayer in the Sermon on the Mount; a shorter form in Luke 11:2-4 is given as a response to the disciples' request, “Lord, teach us to pray”. The prayer consists of an introduction and seven petitions in the Matthew version, which seems to be a liturgical expansion of the original utterance of Christ. The Matthaean form, which has been employed liturgically since very early times, is: [i]Our Father who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done, On Earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread; And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us; And lead us not into temptation, But deliver us from evil.[/i] A closing doxology, “For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory”, was added to the prayer in ancient times, although it does not appear in most manuscripts of the Bible and is only a footnote in the Revised Standard Version. [b]Its incorporation into the Lord's Prayer as early as the 1st century is attested by the version of the prayer in the Didache, a brief manual of instruction for converts to Christianity. [/b]Many Protestants ordinarily recite the doxology as part of the Lord's Prayer; Roman Catholics incorporate it into the recitation of the prayer at Mass, but generally do not use it in private recitation.[b][S][/b] [b][S]-[/b][b]Microsoft ® Encarta ® Encyclopedia 2004. © 1993-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.[/b] [b]Note:[/b] Now evidence thats supports the trustworthyness of the [i]Didache[/i]. [b]-->[/b] [b]Didache[/b] Didache (Greek, “[i]teaching[/i]”), ancient Christian manual of instruction, also called Teaching of the Twelve Apostles. It was probably written in Syria during the 1st century, although some critics have estimated a later date of composition. The document was unknown until its discovery in 1873 and its publication in 1883 by Philotheos Bryennios, Greek metropolitan of Nicomedia. The Didache is a compendium of moral precepts, of instructions on the organization of Christian communities and of regulations pertaining to liturgical worship. [u][b]It contains the oldest recorded eucharistic prayers and directives on baptism, fasting, prayer, and the treatment of bishops, deacons, and prophets.[/b][/u] [b]Revered by many early Christians as equal in importance to the books of the New Testament, the Didache was used to instruct converts.[/b] [b]Today it serves as a valuable source of information about early Christian life and belief.[/b][b][S][/b] [b][S]-[/b][b]Microsoft ® Encarta ® Encyclopedia 2004. © 1993-2003 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.[/b] [b]-----------------------------------------------------------------------[/b] Now some will be saying '[i]What has Catholicism got to do with this?[/i]' [b]First lets look at the key word:[/b] [b]Eucharist:[/b] [b](Gr. eucharistia, [i]thanksgiving[/i]).[/b] The name given to the Blessed Sacrament of the Altar its twofold aspect of sacrament and Sacrifice of Mass, and in which Jesus Christ is truly present under the bread and wine. Other titles are used, such as "Lord's Supper" (Coena Domini), "Table of the Lord" (Mensa Domini), the "Lord's Body" (Corpus Domini), and the "Holy of Holies" (Sanctissimum), to which may be added the following expressions, and somewhat altered from their primitive meaning: "Agape" (Love-Feast), "Eulogia" (Blessing), "Breaking of Bread", "Synaxis" (Assembly), etc.; but the [b]ancient title "Eucharistia" appearing in writers as early as Ignatius, Justin, and Irenæus, has taken precedence in the technical terminology of the Church and her theologians.[/b][b][S][/b] [b][S]-[/b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05572c.htm"]New Advent: Eucharist[/url] [color=blue][b]So it was an ancient title, used by the Apostolic and Church Fathers for the Blessed Sacrament or Holy Eucharist/Communion.[/b][/color] [b]Dates of St. Ignatius & Justin and Irenæus:[/b] [b]St. Ignatius of Antioch -[/b] Born 50AD In Syria. Died between 98-117AD.[b][S][/b][b][S][/b] [b]St. Justin Martyr -[/b] Born 100AD In Flavia Neapolis. Died a martyr 165AD.[b][S][/b][b][S][/b] [b]St. Ignatius of Antioch -[/b] Born between 115-125 In Proconsular Asia. Died Late 2nd Century-Early 3rd Century.[b][S][/b] [b][S]-[/b] [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07644a.htm"]New Advent: St. Ignatius of Antioch[/url] [b][S]-[/b] [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08580c.htm"]New Advent: St. Justin Martyr[/url] [b][S]-[/b] [url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08130b.htm"]New Advent: St. Irenaeus[/url] [b]Note:[/b] St. Ignatius of Antioch was a Disciple of both St. Peter and St. Paul. [b]-----------------------------------------------------------------------[/b] The evidence above proves Catholicism's place in the first century, with both Secular and Catholic Scholarship. Pax Deus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Awesome stuff Morph *push ctrl-D* now I'll know where to find early proof of Catholicism Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 17, 2004 Author Share Posted August 17, 2004 Thankyou Angelies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 18, 2004 Author Share Posted August 18, 2004 Bump Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 hehe, u know this board had grown when we have to start bumping things!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StColette Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 lol yeah I agree, I'm very tempted to bump my Confession of Sins thread but hehe I think everyone can still see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mateo el Feo Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Just a minor edit: at the end of your post, you wrote: St. Ignatius of Antioch - Born 50AD In Syria. Died between 98-117AD.[S][S] St. Justin Martyr - Born 100AD In Flavia Neapolis. Died a martyr 165AD.[S][S] St. Ignatius of Antioch - Born between 115-125 In Proconsular Asia. Died Late 2nd Century-Early 3rd Century.[S] I think the second "St. Ignatius of Antioch" is supposed to be "St. Irenaeus." Otherwise, great post! Thanks for all your info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 19, 2004 Author Share Posted August 19, 2004 Thanks I didnt see that. Phat Bro! Can you change that error please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 18 2004, 11:26 PM'] Thanks I didnt see that. Phat Bro! Can you change that error please. [/quote] if you change your title go [url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=18195"][b]here[/b][/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 19, 2004 Author Share Posted August 19, 2004 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 19, 2004 Author Share Posted August 19, 2004 Dates of St. Ignatius & Justin and Irenæus: St. Ignatius of Antioch - Born 50AD In Syria. Died between 98-117AD.[S][S] St. Justin Martyr - Born 100AD In Flavia Neapolis. Died a martyr 165AD.[S][S] St. Ignatius of Antioch - Born between 115-125 In Proconsular Asia. Died Late 2nd Century-Early 3rd Century.[S] --- Should be: --- Dates of St. Ignatius & Justin and Irenæus: St. Ignatius of Antioch - Born 50AD In Syria. Died between 98-117AD.[S][S] St. Justin Martyr - Born 100AD In Flavia Neapolis. Died a martyr 165AD.[S][S] St. Irenaeus - Born between 115-125 In Proconsular Asia. Died Late 2nd Century-Early 3rd Century.[S] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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