White Knight Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Is there any different in how Traditional Catholics and Roman Catholics Preform/Celebrate Mass? other than the Language difference? I know Roman Catholic's normally do Mass in English Ive heard, while Traditional do it in Latin or something. Is there any other difference in how they preform MASS? I'm wondering, because, Mel Gibson left the Vatican II System and went back to Traditional methods. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiannii Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 As I understood it, the Vatican II liturgy attempted to get back to the basics or original form. The people who left the Catholic Church over the changes obviously had no sense of obedience to Christ's Church and the authority He Himself invested in the Magisterium. A mixture of pride and a lack of obedience I think, and probably confusion. Not to mention forgetting some not so favourable popes in the Church’s history, I don’t think there were many people jumping ship back then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiannii Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Also I think it is important to remember that the liturgy we are tlaking about only applied to the Latin Rite, there are many other rites of the Catholic Church where they don't and never did use Latin in their liturgy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) the danger we find, and I think this is what those people who left after Vatican II were worried about, is that there is the actual Vatican II, and the "spirit" of Vatican II. the spirit of Vatican II has been grossly misrepresented by people who wish to for instance, use wonder bread at Mass, or ordain women. The actual Vatican II was perfectly legit. still is... Edited August 17, 2004 by toledo_jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [quote name='White Knight' date='Aug 16 2004, 05:00 PM'] Is there any different in how Traditional Catholics and Roman Catholics Preform/Celebrate Mass? other than the Language difference? I know Roman Catholic's normally do Mass in English Ive heard, while Traditional do it in Latin or something. Is there any other difference in how they preform MASS? I'm wondering, because, Mel Gibson left the Vatican II System and went back to Traditional methods. [/quote] There is no such things as a "traditionalist" Catholic, one is either a Catholic or not, and to be Catholic one must be in communion with the Pope. As far as the liturgy is concerned, the present Holy Father permits the Ordo Missae of Pius V as an indult, i.e., as an exception to the norm, while the universal norm for celebrating Mass in the Roman Rite is the Ordo Missae of Paul VI. As long as a person in the Roman Rite is in communion with the Pope and goes to one of these two services, he is in good standing in the Church. Now I, as a Byzantine Rite Catholic, go to the Divine Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom, and during certain times of the year the Liturgy of St. Basil, which are the customary liturgical celebrations for Eastern Catholics. There are many different liturgical rites within the one Catholic Church, but the important thing is to be in communion with the Pope, the Sucessor of St. Peter, because he is the visible point of unity within the Church. God bless, Todd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 I could go on for a while about some of the differences between the two, and there are probably some better things in each. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) As long as the essential elements are present it is a valid Mass. Edited August 17, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Ive seen a Video of the Latin Mass [Low] and Been to the Norvus Ordo, and there is a lot more Ritual in the latin Mass, bending, bowing kneeling and blessing ones self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 There also seems to be more Scripture Readings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) More bowing and blessing does not increase the value of a Mass. Somewhere in Church history someone added a last gospel to the Tridentine rite. It was an add-on. Edited August 17, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [quote]There is no such things as a "traditionalist" Catholic, one is either a Catholic or not, and to be Catholic one must be in communion with the Pope.[/quote] Amen But I think to answer the orginal question, some people follow the GIRM before 1963 and Some People Follow the New Order of the Mass (Novus Ordo) and some people are of the Eastern Rites which have a similar but strikingly different and at the same time a beautiful liturgy. And then are many many people, who bind the liturgy in chains of pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 18 2004, 01:48 AM'] More bowing and blessing does not increase the value of a Mass. Somewhere in Church history someone added a last gospel to the Tridentine rite. It was an add-on. [/quote] I didnt say that. Dont be so defensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 what's wrong with add-ons? sheesh, i havta agree with Morph... it was a bit too defensive for the observations about the differences he provided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Another difference is the vestments. The Latin Mass priest wears some other vestment. I am not sure of the name of them. Maybe someone could help here. Anyway one is a wide band of cloth that goes around the arm of the priests forearm. Another thing is the setup of the Church. In Latin Masses, the priest faces the tabernacle. In the Novus Ordo the priest faces the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 17 2004, 03:15 PM'] I didnt say that. Dont be so defensive. [/quote] Morph that wasn't addresssed to you in particular, many people just seem to think the more bows the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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