zogdog602 Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 I have some question and would like some opinions... Is it immoral to listen to bands that have immoral Lyrics? Is it immoral to cover songs with immoral Lyrics? (example - "baby got back") Is it immoral to support bands that sing immoral songs? (buy CD, go to concert) Is it immoral to support bands that do immoral things? (sex, drugs, support pro-choice) Do Jet or Incubus fit into any of these catagories?? Thanks, -Joey Herzog (similar subject: rock for life, rock4life) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 [quote]Is it immoral to listen to bands that have immoral Lyrics?[/quote] Yes. [quote]Is it immoral to cover songs with immoral Lyrics? (example - "baby got back")[/quote] Yes. [quote]Is it immoral to support bands that sing immoral songs? (buy CD, go to concert)[/quote] Yes. [quote]Is it immoral to support bands that do immoral things? (sex, drugs, support pro-choice)[/quote] Yes. [quote]Do Jet or Incubus fit into any of these catagories??[/quote] I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zogdog602 Posted August 16, 2004 Author Share Posted August 16, 2004 What if you listen to Jet or Incubus and do not bother to find out if they fit into any of these catagories because you like their music and because you do not have time to find out. Or because you like them so much that you do not want to find out (incase it is immoral to listen/support them?). Are you sure about your previous answers?? can you elaborate a little more. Why,...Yes...Yes...Yes...Yes?? PS - (I agree with you, I just want to know the reasons why so that I can help a friend). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden.silence Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) [b] Is it immoral to listen to bands that have immoral Lyrics?[/b] Yup. Do I do it? Sometimes... [b] Is it immoral to cover songs with immoral Lyrics? (example - "baby got back")[/b] Yup. [b] Is it immoral to support bands that sing immoral songs? (buy CD, go to concert)[/b] Yup. Your money = more success for them = more success in spreading audio poision... [b] Is it immoral to support bands that do immoral things? (sex, drugs, support pro-choice)[/b] Yes!!! [b]Do Jet or Incubus fit into any of these catagories??[/b] I don't know about Jet...but - yeah, Incubus DOES fit into these categories... Edited August 17, 2004 by golden.silence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zogdog602 Posted August 17, 2004 Author Share Posted August 17, 2004 How does Incubus fit into any of these catagories, can you please elaborate? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden.silence Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 [quote name='zogdog602' date='Aug 17 2004, 02:19 AM'] How does Incubus fit into any of these catagories, can you please elaborate? Thanks [/quote] "Smokin' The Herb Again" by [b]Incubus[/b] [i]beaver dam I really wish I could find my sack man It must've got eaten by pac-man If I had I would smoke again Smoke with my friends until the very end But now I'm trying to comprehend When's the next time that I'll smoke again I need to know please tell me When will we smoke again I got a buddy his name is Ted He's got a problem going through his head he doesn't know how to puff puff give But I like him so I'll teach him And I'll let him live Everyday we teach him right And when he defy's we have to fight But at the end of the trying day We say it's ok and we puff away Just the other night I saw you You were smokin not sharing and being tight But that's ok you are my friend And we'll smoke it all until the end The lessons that we put out We wanted you to try it out It's nice to smoke Yea that's what it's all about Smokin, we're smoking We're smoking the herb again I smoke you smoke We smoke they smoke (he smokes weed) Smokin everywhere I smoke you smoke We smoke they smoke (he smokes all the weed) Smokin all together[/i] Do these look like the lyrics of a morally sound band that you should promote? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden.silence Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Moderator - it's all good if you delete and/or edit these lyrics... I understand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Jet is borderline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisville Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 (edited) also- incubus is the name of a demon which means "to lie upon" INCUBUS - A spirit or demon thought in medieval times to lie on sleeping persons, especially women, with whom it sought sexual intercourse. - not sure if this was folklore or if there really is a demon named incubus I dont know about you but i wouldnt want to be supporting a band who got thier name from a demon who has sex with women.('specially if the demon and the lady aren't married(WHICH I DOUBT THEY WOULD BE!......ya know) cuz that would be bad) ok serious time- *i feel like i should say a little about non-Catholic like music as it was once a big barrier in my walk with Christ. basically, led zeppelin used to be my favorite band. i used to listen to all that stuff and pretend that i wasnt listening to the lyrics. while i may not have been listening to the lyrics, the message of that music still came through. This type of music always put me in a sinful attitude because the message is present in many other ways than just in the lyrics. The very nature of the music gives us an inclination to sin. i do not say this in meaning that any genre is inherantly sinful, what i mean is that the message of the lyrics is still presented to us, even in an almost subliminal manner, if we chose not to "pay attention" to the lyrics. we will still understand the just of what the band stands for and this will be present in our minds as we rock out to thier music. do you honestly think that haveing for example- "you shook me all night long" blasting over and over in your head will not affect you in some way? i used to kid my self that it wasnt. and if you honestly think this type of music doesnt affect you(which i now understand to be impossible in my mind), what will others think about you as a Christian when they see you pulling up in your car with it eccoing throught the parking lot? also, getting enjoyment out of any type of music makes the lyrics and its message more attractive. why do you think companies use catchy jingles or use music in the background to advertise thier products? its the same idea. you cannot escape the message no matter how hard you try. its like trying to run away from a chicken with like michael johnson sized quads and unlimited stamina and then it eats you and you die. same idea if you any of you have had that type of problem before. im a testiment to that. but seriously, i have notice a definate turn around in my spiritual life since i stopped listening to anti-Christian music. do not kid yourself into thinking that its not affecting you like i did. i pray for those who have this problem as music is very addictive (at least for me) and i pray expecially that people may first recognize that anti-Chrisian music is causeing a problem, because that is the hardest part. Edited August 19, 2004 by louisville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisville Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 (edited) so like throw them cd's away and getcho self some righteous b or the massmatics album or sumptin. yo Edited August 19, 2004 by louisville Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden.silence Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 You make some real good points, bro... Listen - the easiest way to determine if you should or should not support a musician is really to ask yourself: Is this musician glorifying God through their music? The same is true for our actions...you feel me? I'm not claimin' that every musician should sing, rap, or play STRICTLY "Christian" music...but, it shouldn't promote anything other than life... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louisville Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 werd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JESOd Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 umm... supporting any thing immoral is a bad thing. We are called to be in this world, not of it. There are many secular not immoral bands. I usually go on the guidelines for secular music by the large amounts of lustfulness, excessive cursing, anti-Christian anything... I do listen to a lot of secular music that questions Christianity but not against it, which is understandable. People without truth will not understand it, and will question it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tracey Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 [quote]Is it immoral to listen to bands that have immoral Lyrics?[/quote] Yes, because this is all based on our morals, so we set the standards for immoral music. Am I going to stop listening to something because it's immoral? No. [quote]Is it immoral to cover songs with immoral Lyrics? (example - "baby got back")[/quote]Yes, refer to explanation above. [quote]Is it immoral to support bands that sing immoral songs? (buy CD, go to concert)[/quote]Yes, refer to explanation above. [quote]Is it immoral to support bands that do immoral things? (sex, drugs, support pro-choice)[/quote] Right there, you are telling me what is immoral in your examples. If I don't find these things immoral personally, I wouldn't have a heavy conscience for supporting them. So yes and no. [quote]Do Jet or Incubus fit into any of these catagories??[/quote] I'm not an expert on either band, but if they have one song as above that I disagree with, I'm not going to disregard them totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 20, 2004 Share Posted August 20, 2004 (edited) While I feel to do you justice, I'd have to have one long post, I'll make it easier on whosoever wants to read this by being to the point. I can do follow up questions... [quote]Is it immoral to listen to bands that have immoral Lyrics?[/quote] If you are still asking this question, are you really heading towards Christ, or are you putting one foot in, and one foot out? Any type of music that is against morality seeps into your mind, and the values imposed in the music become common place to you. Weather you want them to or not, they register in your mind (subconciously mostly). When evil has a place in your heart/mind, you are open for enslavement under the devil, and his demons. Imagine this, you go to a porn site, and those images register. You may have no intention of lusting while at the sight, you may have no intention to even remember this stuff, but this maybe your strongest impression of sex, and on your marriage night, it maybe all you know. Same for this music, you may listen to it, and even if the song calls you to be angry, resentful, unkind, or it calls you to do drugs, and you don't do any of these things, it has regestered in your mind. If you are in a situation described by a song, you may find it difficult to resist, because this is the strongest influence in that area of your life. [quote]Is it immoral to cover songs with immoral Lyrics? (example - "baby got back")[/quote] I have no idea what "covering songs" is, so I won't try to respond, but I wouldn't mind someone telling me. [quote]Is it immoral to support bands that sing immoral songs? (buy CD, go to concert)[/quote] Is it immoral to support a satanist group? This is nearly the same question. You are asking if it is wrong to support evil. I am sure this one need not be answered. You could replace "bands" and "immoral songs" with any evil. Abortion, adultry, homosexual acts, perjury. I don't need to go on. This question answers itself. [quote]Is it immoral to support bands that do immoral things? (sex, drugs, support pro-choice)[/quote] Again, is it wrong to support John Kerry who supports abortion (immoral things). This question answers itself. Another way to look at it is if you were to ask yourself, would it be RIGHT to support bands that do immoral things? I am sure you know this answer. [quote] Do Jet or Incubus fit into any of these catagories??[/quote] Incubus has been talked about. I will say Jet is also immoral. With such songs such as "Cold heart B****" you mary realize the immorality. (Sample lyrics) Cold hard ***** Just a kiss on the lips And I was on my knees I'm waiting give me Cold hard ***** She was shakin' her hips And I that was all that I need I'm waiting give me Cold hard ***** Just a kiss on the lips And I was on my knees There is cursing, and the sexual references are obvious, and fornification screams from these lyrics. I looked through the other stuff, it isn't so bad. I would consider this to be a step up from such bands as Incubus. If it hard to give up immoral music, listen to this stuff, then slowly remove it as well. I wouldn't call this band immoral because of a single song, but I tell you what, it is as close as you can get without crossing over. It is not something you'd listen to as you grow in spiritual life, when you(not you in particular) stop shooting for the thintgs that are acceptable, and start leaning towards things that are rewardable in the life after this one. Sorry for the lengthy post. Anyways, my main tip to you is to get both feet in when following Christ, because it seems your having trouble saying goodbye to this music, and it does you no good. The best way to give it up, is to just do it. God bless, Mikey Edited August 20, 2004 by MichaelFilo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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