phatcatholic Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 you are treading on thin ice HW...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HartfordWhalers Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 (edited) [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Sep 13 2004, 01:22 PM'] you are treading on thin ice HW...... [/quote] noted (edit): if it is permitted though, I would like to know what the dude thinks concerning the Encyclical... Edited September 13, 2004 by HartfordWhalers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 it is permitted. "thedude" your response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted September 13, 2004 Author Share Posted September 13, 2004 (edited) From the Mystical Body of Christ: [quote]As you know, Venerable Brethren, from the very beginning of Our Pontificate, We have committed to the protection and guidance of heaven those who do not belong to the visible Body of the Catholic Church, solemnly declaring that after the example of the Good Shepherd We desire nothing more ardently than that they may have life and have it more abundantly.[194] Imploring the prayers of the whole Church We wish to repeat this solemn declaration in this Encyclical Letter in which We have proclaimed the praises of the "great and glorious Body of Christ,"[195] and from a heart overflowing with love We ask each and every one of them to correspond to the interior movements of grace, and to seek to withdraw from that state in which they [b]cannot be sure[/b] of their salvation. [196] For even though [b]by an unconscious desire and longing they have a certain relationship with the Mystical Body of the Redeemer[/b], they still remain deprived of those many heavenly gifts and helps which can only be enjoyed in the Catholic Church. Therefore may they enter into Catholic unity and, joined with Us in the one, organic God of Jesus Christ, may they together with us run on to the one Head in the Society of glorious love.[197] Persevering in prayer to the Spirit of love and truth, We wait for them with open and outstretched arms to come not to a stranger's house, but to their own, their father's home.[/quote] "[C]annot be sure" seems to denote the possibility of salvation for these person's with an "unconscious desire and longing". Edited September 13, 2004 by thedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted September 13, 2004 Share Posted September 13, 2004 HW.........you can continue this conversation as long as you write your posts in the form of questions w/ the purpose of clarification or understanding. if you post with the intention of disagreeing or instigating debate, you will be warned and this thread will be closed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 [quote name='thedude' date='Sep 12 2004, 10:42 AM'] I never said people were saved outside the Church. I said non-physical members of the Church could be saved inside of Her. [/quote] The_Dude, Could you explain this comment? Now I am getting confused... Im not debating it, Im just curious as to what it means. Thank you so much! God bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 i think the point is that a person is not necessarily outside of the church just b/c he is not a physical member of the catholic church thru baptism. any person who shares truths w/ the catholic church and does not willfully reject her is "insider her" and thus saved by her Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted September 18, 2004 Share Posted September 18, 2004 Basically: If people go to Heaven it is because of the Church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drewmeister2 Posted September 19, 2004 Share Posted September 19, 2004 Ok, thank you!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted September 19, 2004 Author Share Posted September 19, 2004 What they said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted October 3, 2004 Share Posted October 3, 2004 thedude, ur gonna definitely want to check out the "Ultraditionalism" entry in the reference section. it has a TON of stuff you could use!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted October 4, 2004 Author Share Posted October 4, 2004 Wicked. I'm going to wait, however, until I read a book (supposed to be delivered tommorow) titled "No Salvation Outside the Church?" before I update again. When I do, it should be massive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 awesome, i can't wait to see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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