White Knight Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 So your saying Treason is a Partiotism? betraying "America and its Allies" if so thats not true at all, there comes a point where you say what of something, and its another point when what you say, speaks against this very country's morals and ideals. Treason is not morally correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 [quote]this is dumb. he should title the movie "michael moore hates bush" because I'm pretty sure he loves America.[/quote] [quote]The way I see it, Moore is using his constitutional right to say what he likes without the government censuring him. He is choosing to do what he wants instead of simply falling in line. In my opinion, it doesn't get more patriotic than that. [/quote] MM is NOT a patriot!!!! He is a liar and a socialist who despises America! Using clever lies to make one's point is not patriotic, but despicable. If Moore was sincere, he could attack Bush without resorting to lies (such as that Bush was really a friend of Bin Laden, etc.) Moore has repeatedly expressed contempt for Americans and for the American way of life. His "populism" is entirely phony, as he actually, contrary to his claims, came from a privileged family. Moore's previous "documentary," Bowling For Columbine, an attack on the American Constitutional Second Amendment, employing similar lies and distortions, should make it clear where Moore's true sympathies lie! Moore does not love America, but wants a socialist "unAmerican" America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Democracy allows what Moore is doing. So stop complaining people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 But thats the thing, Our Sub government is a Democracy yes, but We are a Consistutional Republic, We Run our Country more on the Consitution, than we do any other document or form of authority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Well if it allows free speech. Then hes ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Freedom of speech is very limited, and not very publicly known about it. you try doing something directing against the USA Government and you live here, and they know who ya are, etc etc where ya live, etc, they can sue ya, and 99% win for it. Freedom of speech and Freedom of Religion are the two quotes from the Bill of Rights that face the most attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Sounds like their telling you one thing while the law states something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Yes, Moore had a Constitutional right to make his movie. No, just because it is legal under the first ammendment doesn't make his lies a good or "patriotic" thing. People say all kinds of depicable things under "free speech." These are two separate issues. We Americans also have a Constitutional right to speak out against Michael Moore all we want! Complain on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 17 2004, 09:08 AM'] Sounds like their telling you one thing while the law states something else. [/quote] Well America claims to not favor any religion or take a certian religious formed government, but now days there treating other religions like royality, while there Baist and prejuice against its majority Religion which is Christianity. I say Freedom of Religion is being attacked on more than Freedom of Speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 he has the constitutionally protected ability ("right" in today's sense of the word) to lie. we have the moral right to expose his lies. Michael Moore is a socialist, and thus he hates America if we consider America the constitutional republic that it is (for the constitution guarentees the right to life, [i]liberty[/i], and [b]the persuit of happiness[/b], socialism is inherently contrary to the persuit of happiness which is also known as the right to property, and it tends to be contrary to liberty). so in that sense: yes, i would agree with the statement "Michael Moore Hates America" that PLUS he hates America's right to defend itself without being governed by an international body. Michael Moore Hates America. The American Government protects his ability to hate America and speak out against its policies, but the government protects also our ability to oppose him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 [quote name='Socrates' date='Aug 16 2004, 05:52 PM'] MM is NOT a patriot!!!! He is a liar and a socialist who despises America! Moore does not love America, but wants a socialist "unAmerican" America! [/quote] Moore isn't a socialist; he is very liberal, and he is very much a capitalist. First and foremost he is a businessman, and he is exercising his freedom of speech and there is nothing unAmerican about that. A difference of opinion doesn't mean someone is unAmerican. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 i'm pretty sure he admits to being a socialist actually... don't take my word for it though, but that was my understanding Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 17 2004, 10:37 PM'] i'm pretty sure he admits to being a socialist actually... don't take my word for it though, but that was my understanding [/quote] I'm pretty sure he's a libertarian. He and Bill Maher are two peas in a pod. Edited August 18, 2004 by M.SIGGA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 Theres a difference between "Freedom of Speech" and "Treason." Micheal Moore has committed Treason, just like Former President William Bill Clinton. Here I'll check my list, and I'll check it twice, and I'm going to find out whos been naughty and nice. List. Micheal Moore, Naughty Bill Clinton, Naughty Al Gore, Naughty John Kerry, Naughty John Edwards, Naughty George Walter Bush, Nice Johnsonville brat Chainey, Nice Blah, Man I'm tired, I'm going to bed now, I souldn't ruin anymore serious topic threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 18, 2004 Share Posted August 18, 2004 To Political For Me. This is where I exit. :chinese: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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