qfnol31 Posted August 16, 2004 Share Posted August 16, 2004 I know I can ask for my sister's intercession (she was Baptized and died a few days later as a baby, so I know for a fact she's in Heaven.) This idea came from St. Joseph of Copertino. As for cursing and using the Lord's name in vain, the Baltimore Catechism talks about it some while discussing the Second Commandment. I think it says both are a sin, though obviously using God's name in vain is worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 What about using such phrases in the context of fictional dialogue and conversation? Chesterton seems to use them often in his fiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [quote name='musturde' date='Aug 14 2004, 12:56 PM'] The Jewish person who wrote that may either be very traditional or this is how all of them interpret it. Not how we American Catholics do. You can say "Praise God" or "God help me" but I dont think you can just say "Oh God" here. You can not have a beaver dam before his name either. [/quote] Nor after. If its in a prayerful fashion "God help me" seriously meant then of course its not a sin. I have always found taking the Lord's name in vain (and this I was always taught meant anything outside of prayer) to be wrong--for it to be mortal sin, of course, a person must know its wrong. I'm afraid some people don't understand the gravity because they were raised in homes where this kind of language was the norm. I personally have asked people not to take the Lord's name in vain in my home. I have a few friends who still tend to say "Oh my God" fairly often, but on the whole they know not to do so around me (one even apologizes every time she says it in my presence lol). When I was a kid I even scolded my cousins. I personally find taking the Lord's name in vain more offensive than use of other vulgarities or crude speech (including the F-bomb). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [quote name='musturde' date='Aug 15 2004, 06:38 PM'] A Saint is a person in heaven, the Church canonizes saints that we show us an example of what life we should live. The Orthodox have saints, I'm sure we can pray to most of them. [/quote] We can pray to those persons who are recognized as saints by the Catholic Church, and this includes those persons who have been accepted as saints by the Eastern (Byzantine) Rite Churches that are in communion with the Pope. So, as a general rule, those persons canonized by the various autocephalous Eastern Orthodox Churches who are not recognized as saints by any Eastern Rite Catholic Churches, which of course are in communion with Rome, should not be venerated as saints by either Roman Rite Catholics or Byzantine Rite Catholics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Aug 14 2004, 01:18 PM'] I hav ealways wondered, not using God's name in vain was an explicitlly stated as a commandment and we were told to avoid doing it. However, what is vain in this sense? A certain Jewish site claimed saying "Alleluia" outside of Church is vain. However, this is because of the actual word, and what i means. However, that isn't the point. I just wanted to know, what is and isn't vain. Say, if I said God bless, without really meaning it, is that in vain? How about using God's name, not in a derogatory statement, but a statement that doesn't serve God's name due respect (ex. Oh my God!). Thanks in advance, God bless, Mikey [/quote] In the Old Testament times, if one person even said "Oh God", "Oh my God" or just "God", they would be killed. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 Not exactly. You could refer to God, you just couldn't use His proper name. I say "Oh, my God" and "dear God" and I am not taking His name in vain. I am praying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 17 2004, 10:13 AM'] Not exactly. You could refer to God, you just couldn't use His proper name. I say "Oh, my God" and "dear God" and I am not taking His name in vain. I am praying. [/quote] If they weren't praying to God... they got put to death. Saying it in astonishment or dismay they were put to death.... that is what I'm talking about. Saying it in astonishment or dismay is taking the Lord's name in vain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) Astonish and dismay are not sinful. Calling upon God in either situation is not a sin. Sin requires intention. Edited August 17, 2004 by cmotherofpirl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 17 2004, 12:15 PM'] Astonish and dismay are not sinful. Calling upon God in either situation is not a sin. Sin requirees intention. [/quote] Sin does not require intention. Sin requires doing [b][u]anything [/u][/b]God said not to, or not doing what God said to do. [u][b]All [/b][/u]wrongdoing is sin (1 John 5:17). Intention is difference between mortal and venial sins. We still get punished for sinning and not knowing it was a sin, only punished lightly (St. Luke 12:48). An adult has a responsibility to know what is a sin, and what is not... ignorance as an adult is not a 100% excuse, for if we are ignorant in this day and age, it is because of our own fault (in most cases). There is a fact and that fact is that in the OT times to say "God" in astonishment or dismay was (and is) taking the Lord's name in vain. (i.e. when something goes wrong, instead of saying 'carp' someone says "God" in the same context; it is taking the Lord's name in vain) God Bless, ironmonk Edited August 17, 2004 by ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 WE are not in OT times. I see no commandment that I cannot call on God in whatever manner I choose. We are to pray, always. So, if in the course of the day, I see something that dismays or astonishes me and I wish to discuss it with God or start a quick prayer to Him with His name, I will. That is not a sin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 17 2004, 05:43 PM'] WE are not in OT times. I see no commandment that I cannot call on God in whatever manner I choose. We are to pray, always. So, if in the course of the day, I see something that dismays or astonishes me and I wish to discuss it with God or start a quick prayer to Him with His name, I will. That is not a sin. [/quote] I didn't say it was in that manner. Please re-read what I wrote, I think you misread it. If anyone uses "God" as one would use "carp", then it is a sin of using the Lord's name in vain. I posted a fact about OT times, you wrote "not exactly" - correction was needed. I clarified and re-clarified... you wrote "sin requires intention" - correction was needed. I again will re-clarify: Using "God" in prayer is NOT a sin. Using "God" instead of saying "carp", "shoot", etc... IS A SIN. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 17, 2004 Share Posted August 17, 2004 God is a one word prayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 17, 2004 Author Share Posted August 17, 2004 >.< "Oh my God". I've asked the preist who's helping me with my vocation. He says that it is indeed a sin, but that so many do it out of habit, it is not a mortal sin. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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