Using The Lord's Name In Vain.

[picchick]

I was taught that you take the Lord's name in vain when you use it as an interjection. (oh my G**). If you are using it in a prayer (Oh my God, come to my assistance"or even in a time of distress when you call upon him for help.) then it is not taking God's name in vain.

I sing Church songs out of Church all the time. Singing is praying. I listen to Ave Maria, Gregorian Chant and other songs like that. If we didn't then what good music is there to listen to that would uplift our minds to God?

"If you are singing it in a prayerful way, e.g., if you are listening to Gregorian Chant and are singing along with the monks, this is certainly not being irreverent. Also, if you are saying something that you do not recognize to have God's name in it, e.g., Alleluia or, in Latin, Deus, which means God, then that is not using God's name in vain, especially if you are singing church music either for practice or simply because you are listening to it. This is not being used in vain; to use God's name in vain, one must be using it in an irreverent manner (if you are idly singing, that could be irreverent). God bless."--Amarkich

Exactly.
God Bless,
meg

[MichaelFilo]

Heh, those saints in our Arabic lands. My aunt got her prayer answered after she slept in the cave of a saint, however, he was an orthodox saint. Who knows. Anyways, Lebanon has Baptists doesn't it? I've heard something like that. This is getting totally off topic .

God bless,

Mikey

[musturde]

Orthodox saints are allowed to be prayed to by us (according to my teacher). They pray to our saints too maybe. Lebanon may have some baptists but not many. We are mostly maronite Catholic. How bout you, what rite are u?

[MichaelFilo]

Baptized Chaldean, I am Roman Catholic however.

We have Anglicans there in Iraq (very few) from the European country occuption of the Arabic countries.

I didn't know that about Orthodox saints (Iraq is pretty much split with 49% Catholics and 49% Catholics, with possibly about 2 percent Anglicans). I am sure their canonization is valid, but is it to be accepted by Catholics? I would like a second opinion before I pray to any Orthodox saints (Cause you know, don't want to do something wrong like that ).

In your maronite Churches, do they use the anceint Aramic language, or not? I know the Syriac Church uses some Aramiac. I don't remember going to a Chaldean mass however.

God bless,

Mikey

[curtins]

Ok-

In Vein means- without result

so if you say God's name without trying to get a result ie- praying to him for forgivness, thanking him, asking him for sumthing- etc

its a sin

now in terms of veinial or mortal- if u do it like sub consiously without thinking- its a veinial sin- or if its in a habit- thats not to say you dont try and break the habit

if u say it fully agknowledging its rong- then its a mortal sin.


go here- [url="http://www.catholic.org/frz/examen/examen_bottom.htm"]http://www.catholic.org/frz/examen/examen_bottom.htm[/url]

look under the 2nd commandment for both mortal and veinial sins- its a good resource overall actually

[MichaelFilo]

Wow, thank you. I'll add it to my favorites, I think. this is good stuff.

Thanks again

God bless,

Mikey

[musturde]

"In your maronite Churches, do they use the anceint Aramic language, or not? I know the Syriac Church uses some Aramiac. I don't remember going to a Chaldean mass however."

Yep, the Maronites do most of it in Aramaic. I think your the Chaldean Church does it too. I'm Melkite but I wanna be Maronite. I dont remember going to a Melkite Mass. I've read up about it but not too much.

[cmotherofpirl]

Saints of the Eastern Catholic Churches [orthodox]are accepted by the Western Catholic Church up until the schism. Once we split they lost the ability to canonize Saints.

[MorphRC]

I swear theres something in the Catechism on this. But I cant find it.

[Maddalena]

Examples:

Not using His name in vain:
You just witnessed a car accident, and you say "Oh, my God, please don't let them die."

Using His name in vain:
You just noticed a cute new dress, and you say, "Oh, my [i]God[/i], that is the [i]cutest[/i] dress!"

:B Huzzah.

Edited August 15, 2004 by Maddalena

[musturde]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 14 2004, 09:56 PM'] Saints of the Eastern Catholic Churches [orthodox]are accepted by the Western Catholic Church up until the schism. Once we split they lost the ability to canonize Saints. [/quote]
Would it be a sin to pray to one of the more recent one's?

[MichaelFilo]

I guess we have All saints day to pray to all the deceased who went before us into the kingdom of heaven. I'm not sure if it is a sin, they just aren't saints, and therefore we can't be sure if they are in heaven or not.

God bless,

Mikey

[cmotherofpirl]

We can ask those who have gone before us to pray for us.
If they are in heaven or purgatory they can respond and intercede for us.

[picchick]

My mom use to say that if they are in heaven then they are a saint because they made to heaven.

If they made it to purgatory then they are going to be saints because the door from purgatory leads to heaven.


I always ask the intercession of people in heaven and in purgatory. Then I pray for the people in purgatory so that when they get out they can also pray for me.

[musturde]

A Saint is a person in heaven, the Church canonizes saints that we show us an example of what life we should live. The Orthodox have saints, I'm sure we can pray to most of them.