Will You Own Fire Arm Or A Melee Weapon?

[curtins]

iacobus- are you riticuling me because I want a highly advanced asault rifle????- m4 carbine, laser sight, m203 grenade launcher, and mini scope= my dream gun. am i forgetting any other attachments?


oh and i want see through magazines.

after the m4 i wanna get a g36k- now THAT is a fine shooting machine.

again with see through mags.


i swear i should sign up for the marines

[Iacobus]

No I am not mocking you. Tell me this... why do you need a gun that fires .223 supersonic rounds at a rate of 880 per minute.

Vera, only with my help shall you pass my AP Bratness... only two people in my whole school got fives on the AP tests... I was one of them. hehe.

[White Knight]

Well who says it has to be a gun, thats what melee weapon is for.

Melee weapons are anything you can swing & throw.


[color=blue][b]Canes, Chairs, Tables, Sticks, Rocks, Ice, Shattered Glass, Metal Bars, Pencils, Pens, Swords, Axes, Maces, Knives, War Hammer & Working Hammer, Baseball Bats, Clubs, and on and on and on.[/b][/color]


Would you accept any of those as a defence weapon for ya self & others?

Really if ya think about it everything around us can be used as a Weapon of some sort or another, so guns aren't the only thing here thats a weapon.


I personally favor Melee over guns anyday, but thats just me, just because I favor them more, doesn't mean I dont support the Second Admendment of USA.C.

[curtins]

[quote]Canes, Chairs, Tables, Sticks, Rocks, Ice, Shattered Glass, Metal Bars, Pencils, Pens, Swords, Axes, Maces, Knives, War Hammer & Working Hammer, Baseball Bats, Clubs, and on and on and on.[/quote]

rofl!!!!

thats true tho

[MorphRC]

[quote name='socalscout' date='Aug 15 2004, 04:08 AM'] Tell that to the guy pointing his at you.
[/quote]
You Just Gave Me one of the best example of what I was talking about

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Aug 15 2004, 04:18 AM'] Thats as absurd as saying [b]a bow-and-arrow is a cowards weapon[/b]. Guns are part of modern warfare, it takes skill. You can use a sword to stab somebody (which is easy), but it takes skill to fight an opponent who also has a sword. Same can be said with a firearm. Anybody can shoot someone if they're close enough, but it takes skill to aim at long range and to also avoid the fire of the enemy shooter.

I like both, and I plan on owning both. [/quote]
Paladin. Go study Swordsmanship would ya.

A Gun is hard - Point and shoot. BRAIN OVERLOAD
A Sword is Easy - Attacking Posture and Cutting. Its takes months to learn how to Cut correctly. Unlike a gun, hey BOOM. Ur dead.

[MorphRC]

[quote]Dude, I agree, the Sword has more Honor and is More Personal and Smybolic compared to a Gun, but I dont believe Guns are Cowards weapons. Sure its easier to kill someone with a gun than it is a Blade of some sort, but that still doesn't make it a cowards weapon ethier.[/quote]

Thankyou.

[b]Who has more honor:[/b]

The man with a Sword willing to fight his enemy face to face

or

The man with a gun, ready to shoot someone metres away.

[Ash Wednesday]

I hate guns. They creep me out.

I don't know if I'll ever get one. I'm not opposed to people having the right to own a gun, but call me a liberal wuss on this -- I do support gun control.

*kerpow*

[White Knight]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 16 2004, 01:20 AM']
Thankyou.

[b]Who has more honor:[/b]

The man with a Sword willing to fight his enemy face to face

or

The man with a gun, ready to shoot someone metres away.

[/quote]
Both take Courage. and its harder to decide. a Small, Light, and Balanced enough sword can be a deadly ranged weapon, by throwing it. Guns can kill from a mile away. but that doesn't make it more honorable, ethier side of them.



a skilled enough person with the proper training in these modern day times, can kill someone just as easyly with a bladed object (Sword, or Knive) as they can a long range or short range firearm. Note you have to be highly advanced obviously. like the "Curcas" one of the few Mercenary groups alive today, that require the longest basic training, and longest advanced training in history of a small mercenary oraganization. Their primary weapon believe it or not is a Inner Cut Hook Knife and they kill you before you even knew what hit ya. not with a Gun, not with Missles, but with a Knife. they are trained in Highly devoloped Stealth Arts. They kill and there acceptionly effective at it, these mercs are still used today by the British Government, and they have a special bond with the U.S. Marine Core. they gave them their sabre.


Anyway, back to the point I kind of drifted.


[b]Honor in weapons is a cultural interuptation of Warfare. Warfare was never about Honor completely, it was about You Winning and making your opponents lose, thats what warefare is all about. It didn't matter what weapons you used, as long as you won, now that my friend, it is completely differen't the Japaness/Asian Culture is, Yes I understand. If you use firearms your considered a coward, back in the days of Massive Samuari groups and such. but in reality they still lose.[/b]

Now in European Warfare/culture, they didn't care what they used, as long as you won the battle.

[b]Yes they had the Code of Chilvery, but that very rarely applied at all on the Battlefield, Your Honor was showing up on the battlefield, and thats it if you didn't you were ethier a Tactical Genius, or a Complete coward. But the European battles were Brutal, Visious, Cold, Dark, Tradegic etc etc, and they didn't care what weapons they used at all. sooner or later they begun using cannons then mini cannons which sooner or later became the first guns. They cared about Winning and maintaining Honor by winning, not about what weapons they used.[/b]


So in my Final answer dude. I have to say.

This is hard for me lol but I have to say.


[color=orange][b]Both are equally honorable in their own ways, both require much skill and concenstration.[/b][/color]

Edited August 16, 2004 by White Knight

[White Knight]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Aug 16 2004, 01:26 AM'] I hate guns. They creep me out.

I don't know if I'll ever get one. I'm not opposed to people having the right to own a gun, but call me a liberal wuss on this -- I do support gun control.

*kerpow* [/quote]
Your opinion is politely respected. I disagree with it though, but I still respect it.

[MorphRC]

[quote]Both take Courage. and its harder to decide. a Small, Light, and Balanced enough sword can be a deadly ranged weapon, by throwing it. Guns can kill from a mile away. but that doesn't make it more honorable, ethier side of them.
[/quote]

I disagree, most respectfully Bro.

But a gun does not require Courage or Honor to use. The only sense of courage that i see a gun being used in, is a frontal assault with bayonets, like World War I and certain battles in World War II. Other than that, they are a impersonal, dishonorable way of fighting. IMO.

[quote]a skilled enough person with the proper training in these modern day times, can kill someone just as easyly with a bladed object (Sword, or Knive) as they can a long range or short range firearm. Note you have to be highly advanced obviously. like the "Curcas" one of the few Mercenary groups alive today, that require the longest basic training, and longest advanced training in history of a small mercenary oraganization. Their primary weapon believe it or not is a Inner Cut Hook Knife and they kill you before you even knew what hit ya. not with a Gun, not with Missles, but with a Knife. they are trained in Highly devoloped Stealth Arts. They kill and there acceptionly effective at it, these mercs are still used today by the British Government, and they have a special bond with the U.S. Marine Core. they gave them their sabre.[/quote]

True They can.

Are the Curcas those Indian Stealth Forces, that have been used by the British Army?



I agree on the cultural differences of how Honor and Courage are seen, I prefer the Japanese way personally.

[White Knight]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 16 2004, 02:24 AM']
I disagree, most respectfully Bro.

But a gun does not require Courage or Honor to use. The only sense of courage that i see a gun being used in, is a frontal assault with bayonets, like World War I and certain battles in World War II. Other than that, they are a impersonal, dishonorable way of fighting. IMO.



True They can.

Are the Curcas those Indian Stealth Forces, that have been used by the British Army?



I agree on the cultural differences of how Honor and Courage are seen, I prefer the Japanese way personally. [/quote]
Nope, Curcas are the Asian Mercenary group that only invite people into their oraganization, to be recruited. They live off the coast of Asia, and the Japaness are freakin scared of them, because they were so deadly during WWII & Vietnam & Modern British War Era Post- WWII/Vietnam.




I under you prefer it that way, but ya most realize that warefare is well nowdays mainly applied to the freelance style, [b]"Win At All Costs, but Maintian Honor"[/b]

[Maddalena]

The Japanese were not very honorable with the way they used their samurai swords during WWII. It's disgusting how viscious and evil they were during WWII.

[White Knight]

[quote name='Maddalena' date='Aug 16 2004, 02:42 AM'] The Japanese were not very honorable with the way they used their samurai swords during WWII. It's disgusting how viscious and evil they were during WWII. [/quote]
Well their view on Honor was alot of the time, wasn't right, but they still had a strict code, reguardless of all the evil they did during WWII. and back then.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Maddalena' date='Aug 16 2004, 06:12 PM'] The Japanese were not very honorable with the way they used their samurai swords during WWII. It's disgusting how viscious and evil they were during WWII. [/quote]
Yeah well less than 15% of all prisoners actually were alive when taken prisoner, the US did a good deal of damage themselves. For example, US marines burnt Japanese soldiers alive when they came out of their trenches.

Also the Samurai spirit died in the 19th century, but was ressurected during WWII for Kamakazi missions and so forth.

And please read into Shintoism and the Emperor, then you might grasp why the japanese did what they did.