Men Have It Tougher

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 13 2004, 05:53 PM'] But the idea that woman [b]work[b] just as hard or as hard as men, just doesn't count when the woman does not have a full time, employed, job. For instance, if a man spends all day at work, and a woman spends all day doing laundry, she gets to sit down and watch TV, go shopping, sit on phatmass, or whatever while the washer is going.
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You came here attacking those of us who do not have full time employment. I still don't know why...

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 13 2004, 08:32 PM'] You are taking this WAAAYYY too seriously. Have fun with the rest of us. [/quote]
You know, it's hard to "have fun with it" when we live in a society that constantly belittles SAHMs as not [i]really[/i] working... then to come among friends and hear the same thing... is just, well... unpleasant... :angry:

I'm not saying we don't have great perks in our jobs-- we do. And no doubt 14 hours of construction work wins in the physically demanding category hands down. But the way you give NO RESPECT to women-- especially those of us at home... Grrr...

[let_go_let_God]

Also my question is, What does Mrs. Bro Adam have to say? Has she seen the thread yet?

[let_go_let_God]

Ok back again.

Women in the work place have to work twice as hard for 3/4 of the money that men get for the same job. If women are up against men for a job some of the time the women has twice the credentials she isn't even considered for the job.
Women have had to over come the "man's world" ideals just to be given the right to vote. If you look at basic rights of men (not women) we as women have had to fight for them, just to be called equal. There are job requirements and if a woman can't fulfill them sure I understand that she shouldn't get the job, but if a man who can't fulfill them gets a job over a woman who can, that's not right. ok I guess I'm taking sides. That's my rant.

[Brother Adam]

But remember HS_Mom. I'm not talking about SAHM's, I'm not talking about woman with children at all. I'm not talking about those with any amount of responsibility.

This thread though has clearly been an interesting exercise looking at it this morning. I made one simple statement that basically went like this:

Woman who do not have responsibilities (children, etc) should not claim that their part time service job is physically more demanding than a man who has a physically demanding job. There are those that do, and I hear about it. That was my rant. It goes no futher than that.

But look at how I've been jumped on. It was claimed:

1. That I said no woman has it tougher than men in any way whatsoever.
2. That I said all woman lead easy lives.
3. That I said woman always have it easier in the work place.
4. That I promote men making more money than woman.
5. That I have a beef against stay at home moms.
6. That I think a person with a non-physically demanding job has it easier.

None of which is true.

I think it goes to show that inside a lot of people have issues to deal with. They glaze over the posts presented here, and hear words like "woman", "physical labor", "easier than men" - and jump on it without really thinking about what is being said.

So finally, as Paul Harvey would say, here is the rest of the story:

Traditional roles for men and woman:

A man's traditional role is more physically demanding and emotionally draining.
A woman's traditional role is more emotionally demanding and physically draining.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

Isn't that just saying that neither have it easier, but it's the same?


That's just how I'm reading, it,, though.

[jasJis]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 14 2004, 08:20 AM'] Isn't that just saying that neither have it easier, but it's the same?


That's just how I'm reading, it,, though. [/quote]
I'd say no to that. Men and Women are different. We have different strengths and different demands.

In some tough circumstances, it may be easier for a woman to cope and deal with the specific circumstances than it is for a man.

In other tough circumstances, it may be easier for a man to cope and deal with the specific circumstances than it is for a woman.

That's how God intended it, and why marriage is for a man and a woman. One brings a strength where the other has weakness. Each brings strengths to give help, and weaknesses in need of help.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

[quote name='let_go_let_God' date='Aug 13 2004, 11:37 PM'] Also my question is, What does Mrs. Bro Adam have to say? Has she seen the thread yet? [/quote]
I agree with my husband with one twist.



The twist? Sometimes the man has to smell of elderberries it up and quit whining about it. No, the part-timer doesn't have to work hard 'physically' but can sometimes get an emotional beating, and the man has to understand that. God did not create man and woman equally. He made man physically stronger, and he made woman emotionally stronger.

The woman sometimes has to smell of elderberries it up and be a woman, and pamper the man when he's had a hard day, but the man, even if he had a long day, sometimes needs to smell of elderberries it up and be a man and help the woman out when she's been emotionally beat up that day.


While the woman has a part-time service job, she's also has a never-ending job as a housewife. She's got responisibilities that never end, and her work never ends. The husband, however, often times gets to quit working when he gets off work, but the woman never does.



And that was my rant.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 14 2004, 08:16 AM'] Woman who do not have responsibilities (children, etc) should not claim that their part time service job is physically more demanding than a man who has a physically demanding job. There are those that do, and I hear about it. That was my rant. It goes no futher than that. [/quote]
Adam, if this is what your first post had been written like, I would have been on your side in a flash. However, it was written rather vaguely and your follow ups seemed condeming (the one where you mention raising your siblings)... Sorry if I misread it. When you have a rant, can you please be clearer as to who the object of that rant is?

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

I read my husbands posts, and I can honestly say that I didn't see him 'belittling' anyone but those who have no children and only a part-time service job. He has the utmost respect for those women who are full-time mothers, and would never put them down. It's just those women who try to make it seem as though their lives are harder than their male counter-part who have physically demanding jobs that last 14+ hours.


Sorry....sometimes you've just gotsa back your man.

[Mrs. Bro. Adam]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 13 2004, 07:53 PM'] After being married for a year, I have come to a realization. Men, as a general rule, have it tougher than our female counter-parts.

When I say this though, I say it with reserve, because this counts only for certian areas of our life. I work my [color=red]{edit= use your imagination}[/color]off for a living. That is my life. Work. Hard, exshausting, manual work. My life doesn't consist of visiting friends or family. I get up extremely early and don't get home until 14-18 hours later. We have little social contact outside our tough male co-workers. It's stressful, and it is [b]hard[/b]. And then on the weekends- more work to catch up on home matters, church on sunday, and then back to work on Monday morning.

That is [b][u]not[/u][/b] to say that in some aspects of life woman do not have it tougher. [u]Often times many men only have 8 hour day jobs, and the woman works with children dawn until dusk.[/u] However, the physical labor is not as [b]hard[/b], and it [u]shouldn't [/u]be. (note - does not count for labor)

[i][u]But the idea that woman [b]work[b] just as hard or as hard as men, just doesn't [b]count[/b] when the woman[color=blue] does not have a full time, employed, job. [/color]For instance, if a man spends all day at work, and a woman spends all day doing laundry, she gets to sit down and watch TV, go shopping, sit on phatmass, or whatever while the washer is going.[/u][/i]

my rant for the day.


Adam

Feel free to throw tomatos. [/quote]
Thought this might clear things up...this is Adam's first post, and I've added some bolding, underlining, italizing, and color to help those parts pop out for which he was ranting about.

[theculturewarrior]

[quote]But then there is also my aunt, a great devout Catholic woman, she never married but she is head resp. therapist at a hospital and her job is completely grueling, she works 7 days a week even during holidays at all hours of the night, and she still manages to visit her nieces, nephews, and her sibs.
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You didn't tell me you had an aunt. :nono: Is she pretty? What's her name? How does she feel about beer bellies?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Aug 14 2004, 08:37 AM'] Thought this might clear things up...this is Adam's first post, and I've added some bolding, underlining, italizing, and color to help those parts pop out for which he was ranting about. [/quote]
Are you aware that in many people's minds "women who do not have a full-time employed job"= stay at home mom? This was probably not Adam's intention, but I've heard it many times. If he'd been clearer and said "people who have part-time desk jobs and no kids," I would have known what he meant. However, I am a woman who does not have a full-time employed job... therefore I may have misread it.

Could you please show me the post where he makes it clear that SAHMs were not the target of the rant?

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 13 2004, 06:34 PM'] Yet, the people who I'm directing this thread at are those who have no children and work light work (service or industrial) jobs part time. You just don't have it tougher. [/quote]
Okay here it is... I must have seen this but it didn't register in all the post flying.

Okay people... move on... there's nothing to see here...

[Azriel]

ok ... lets chill. We don't need hard feelings. Its clear that Adam didn't mean to belittle any SAHMs, but his rant could have been clearer.

I think we all agree that women and men both can have tough jobs ... no matter what they do ...