Writings Of The Pope

[dairygirl4u2c]

I am wondering if anyone here knows what writings of the popes are kept.

I am curious because of the possibility of bad writings being tossed out. I know this is scrapping the bottom of the barral to you. (I don't think it is, 22ish for sure infallibiles not contradicting each other isn't that miraculous I don't think)

I don't like that Honorious's writings were burned. I am going to look into the other men's writings who stuck up for him. I don't like that the bishop of rome Stephan's writings don't exist from the days of Cyprian of Carthage, when Cyprian's exist. I don't like that we have writings of some of the churches from early on, but not all of them. For example, we have Polycarp and his church but we don't have them all, I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) There's other popes and bishops of rome that may have not had their writings saved, I'm not sure.

I would bet that most of the early writings of the bishops of rome didn't have their writings exceptionally saved beyond what a respected city's bishop's people would save. Their personal beliefs wouldn't matter to the general church anyway because matters were decided with councils with the bishop of rome only preeminent out of honor.

I know you'll think it's a cop out, and it is. But I still don't think 22 infallibles is all that great with councils deciding things.

[Aloysius]

i think you mean 23, including the 21 Ecumenical Councils and the Two Ex Cathedra DOGMA statements of recent times. But there is much more infallible stuff out there.

the Vatican Secret Archives hold all the documents of popes and saints that have stood the test of time. ('secret' means private, as in their own personal collection, they are all open to historians up to about 1930, each pope usually opens up the records of only one previous pope at most. this is because certain things can remain sensitive at a time so close to that one)

anyway, the Vatican Secret Archives have[color=blue] 30 miles worth of shelves[/color] containing the writings of the Holy See dating all the way back to the Apostolic Era. As with all history, not all documents will remain to the present day. We don't have the letter that was sent out from the Council of Jerusalem. We don't have a few letters St. Paul wrote. We don't have the writings of Pope Honorius. We don't have a lot of historical documents anymore, because history sometimes eats up documents into oblivion. Deal with it: it is impossible to be able to retain all documentation from history. The Vatican has the best archive in the world of document from throughout all history.

[dairygirl4u2c]

[url="http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/21_catholic_councils.htm"]http://www.davidmacd.com/catholic/21_catholic_councils.htm[/url]
Here's more info on the councils for anyone who's interested.



[quote]Deal with it: it is impossible to be able to retain all documentation from history. [/quote]
Of those 21 councils many of them don't even touch much on faith and morals. (maybe starting the crusades is moral? I dunno, anyway.) It sounds like much in Catholic Church apologetics is just rhetoric; non-Catholics could tell Catholics to deal with it too. We're being reduced to so little to work with, how can anyone disprove the Catholic Church with what we have to work with?

[dairygirl4u2c]

Also. That site says that at the first council of Nicea that Jesus was divine. Then at Chalcedon, they said he was divine and human in two forms.

Is this correct? Also. I realize that you might call it development or that it's simplistic. But I would like someone more knowledgeable to talk about it.

[Aloysius]

i said deal with the fact that not every historical document can be examined today. it's just a fact historians face no matter what history they're investigating.

Your site gives all links to NewAdvent.org's explanations of the councils good site

as for the councils speaking on faith and morals, they're all about defending the faith when questions come up against it. Nicaea made the Creed, Ephesus declared Mary the Mother of God, Trent made tons of anathemas to anyone who dissented from it's teaching of faith... the councils are all about faith and morals. while they also say alot about simply governance of the Church, they do say alot about faith and morals as well. The only real precise summaries of ALL these teachings from Nicaea to Vatican II would be the Catechism of the Catholic Church... but you want the meat and potatoes, the source from which that teaching comes, it's all in there, you just gotta dig through the parts about the governance of the Church as well. it's not mere rhetoric, we have an immense amount of Church Teaching from throughout the ages. it's just too much to condense and present to you to search through. You can search through the councils, the teachings of the ECFs, and if you've really got alot of time through the writings of the popes...

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11744a.htm"]Pope St. Peter[/url][/b]
[url="http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/#1peter"]1 Peter[/url] [url="http://www.nccbuscc.org/nab/bible/#2peter"]2 Peter[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09272b.htm"]Pope St. Linus[/url][/b]
Pope during the time of persecution of the Church, thus any of his writings did not survive the test of time

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01446a.htm"]Pope St. Anacletus[/url][/b]
Pope during the time of persecution of the Church, thus any of his writings did not survive the test of time

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04012c.htm"]Pope St. Clement I[/url][/b]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1010.htm"]First Epistle[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1011.htm"]Second Epistle[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0803.htm"]Two Epistles about Virginity[/url]
Books
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080401.htm"]I[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080402.htm"]II[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080403.htm"]III[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080404.htm"]IV[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080405.htm"]V[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080406.htm"]VI[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080407.htm"]VII[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080408.htm"]VIII[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080409.htm"]IX[/url]
[url="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/080410.htm"]X[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05646a.htm"]Pope St. Evaristus[/url][/b]
Pope during the time of persecution of the Church, thus any of his writings did not survive the test of time

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01285c.htm"]Pope St. Alexander I[/url][/b]
Pope during the time of persecution of the Church, thus any of his writings did not survive the test of time

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14031b.htm"]Pope St. Sixtus I[/url][/b]
Pope during the time of persecution of the Church, thus any of his writings did not survive the test of time

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14477b.htm"]Pope St. Telesphorus[/url][/b]
Pope during the time of persecution of the Church, thus any of his writings did not survive the test of time

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07593a.htm"]Pope St. Hyginus[/url][/b]

I'll skip a few and make another post with more papal writings. if you really want the writings of the popes, I'll do my best to compile all the ones that are still in existence for you...

[dairygirl4u2c]

Are those writing in the Vatican not on the net? I just want to be clear.

And someone still needs to respond to how Nicea and Chalcedon declared those divinity vs human standards.

Edited August 10, 2004 by dairygirl4u2c

[Aloysius]

Councils convein when a question arises. Nicaea clarified for people that Jesus was Divine. After Nicaea, Catholics started coming up with theories which incorporated the Teaching that Jesus was Divine by making Him into two completely different persons. To put an end to this, the Church conviened and declared Jesus was of two natures (Divine and Human) but they were united in one person. This is to clarify the teaching that He is Divine, by saying He has a Human nature as well but they are both in One person.

It would take FOREVER to get all those documents from the Vatican Secret Archives onto the internet. I don't think you can find that. Historians study those things, but the average person can't get access to them because well, the average person first of all couldn't really read through all of them, and second because it'd be too hard to get all of that into a form that was available to the average person.

[Cure of Ars]

I think that you need to put things in context. The Catholic Church has been around for 2000 years and during this time there have been 264 popes and a small number of them have been very immoral. But throughout all this time there is not a clear cut example of a pope or ecumenical council dogmatically teaching error. If there was an example anti-catholic would be waving it in our faces daily but they don’t because they cannot find a clear cut example. To me this is simply amazing especially with some of the popes that there have been. The only explanation that I can see is that the Holy Spirit is somehow protecting the Magisterium from teaching error.

Now lets compare this to the Mormon Church, which is only 200 years old, and admittedly has not had as evil of leaders in their church over a less amount of time. Doctrines like, polygamy, whites only priesthood, and changes that have been made to the book of Mormon are clear cut examples. Things have changed to the point that Mormons are taught to listen to the present prophet if they contradict each other. But even after 2000 years clear examples cannot be produced against the Catholic Church. To think that the Church was just able to hide errors by burning documentation is not really possible as well. The Catholic Church has always had enemies and if it ever did change things those enemies would grab onto this and expose the Church. It really is an awsome thing.

Edited August 10, 2004 by Cure of Ars

[Aloysius]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02432a.htm"]Pope Benedict XIV[/url]
[/b][url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#B14"]Encyclicals of Benedict XIV (1740 - 1758)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04034a.htm"]Pope Clement XIV[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#C14"]Encyclicals of Clement XIV (1769-1774)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04032a.htm"]Pope Clement XIII[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#C13"]Encyclicals of Clement XIII (1758 - 1769)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12131a.htm"]Pope Pius VI[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#P6"]Encyclicals of Pius VI (1775-1799)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12132a.htm"]Pope Pius VII[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#P7"]Encyclicals of Pius VII (1800 - 1823)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09167a.htm"]Pope Leo XII[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#L12"]Encyclicals of Leo XII (1823 - 1829)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12134a.htm"]Pope Pius VIII[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#P8"]Encyclicals of Pius VIII (1829 - 1830)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07006a.htm"]Pope Gregory XVI[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#G16"]Encyclicals of Gregory XVI (1831-1846)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12134b.htm"]Pope Pius IX[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#P9"]Encyclicals of Pius IX (1846 - 1878)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09169a.htm"]Leo XIII[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#L13"]Encyclicals of Leo XIII (1878 - 1893)[/url]

[b][url="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12137a.htm"]Pope St. Pius X[/url][/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#P10"]Encyclicals of Pius X (1903-1914)[/url]

[b]Pope Benedict XV[/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#B15"]Encyclicals of Benedict XV (1914-1922)[/url]

[b]Pope Pius XI[/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#P11"]Encyclicals of Pius XI (1922-1939)[/url]

[b]Pope Pius XII[/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#P12"]Encyclicals of Pius XII (1939-1958)[/url]

[b]Pope John XXIII[/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#J23"]Encyclicals of John XXIII (1958-1963)[/url]

[b]Pope Paul VI[/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#P6"]Encyclicals of Paul VI (1963-1978)[/url]

[b]Pope John Paul II[/b]
[url="http://members.dca.net/fleck/encylics/encylics.htm#JP2"]Encyclicals of John Paul II (1978-1995)[/url]

Edited August 10, 2004 by Aloysius

[Aloysius]

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[dairygirl4u2c]

I"m still somewhat confused. If I were to, theoretically, find an error in one of the popes encyclicals, would that disprove infallibiility, or would you say that that was just the pope saying what he thinks personally?

Also. Some people say that birth control is not an infallible statement. I'm sure you would say that by the ordinary magisterius or what have you that it is infallible. So if a counsil, theorctically, were to say, for example, that birth control was not wrong at all, would that go against infallibility? How?

If the counsil were to say that perhaps people in Africa could use it, could they note a change of intents from the writings of the popes? Even if a pope right now were to say "birth control is wrong all the time". Someone down the road might say well by birth control he meant when it's not warranted, or something like that. (somewhat like "salvation outside the Catholic Church' vs "no salvation" controversy)

[Aloysius]

the Church has always taught birth control is always and everywhere evil and will continue to teach that to the end of time. it would disprove infallibility if a council defined that it was not always and everywhere evil.

to find an infallible statement in the writing of the pope you need to find him speaking as successor to St. Peter on a matter of faith and morals.

either find that, or find the pope teaching explicit heresy in any of his writings

The Church's assertion is that because of the Holy Spirit's guidance of the Church, you will not find any teaching of a council that is wrong about faith or morals, and you will not find a Pope teaching explicit heresy from his office. Find a teaching error in any of those writings of the popes.

btw, it's not a contreversy, the Church has always taught that implicit baptism of desire can save someone (by the merits of the Church) Vatican II just clarified on that.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='dairygirl4u2c' date='Aug 9 2004, 08:01 PM'] And someone still needs to respond to how Nicea and Chalcedon declared those divinity vs human standards. [/quote]
It is important to understand that these two councils, Nicaea and Chalcedon, were called for different reasons.

Nicaea (AD 325) was called in order to defend the full divinity of Christ in opposition to the Arian heresy. The heretic Arius taught that the Logos (the Son) was a created being distinct from the Father, but in opposition to this heretical position, the Fathers of the Council of Nicaea defined that the Logos (the Son) is [i]homoousios[/i] (of one substance) with the Father; in other words, the incarnate Word of God is fully divine and equal to the Father in His divinity. Thus, Nicaea and the First Council of Constantinople (AD 381) both dealt with the doctrine of the Trinity.

Now, the Council of Chalcedon (AD 451), and the council called twenty years before Chalcedon, the Council of Ephesus (AD 431), dealt with the doctrine of the person of Christ. The Trinity had become a settled question within the Church, but the nature of the incarnation now came to prominence. The Fathers of Chalcedon in opposition to the Monophysite heretics, especially a man named Eutyches, declared that Christ is one divine person in two natures, divine and human. The two natures in the one person of Christ are not mixed or combined, but nor can they be separated, because they have been [i]hypostatically[/i] (personally) united in the person of God the Word. The doctrine proclaimed by the Council of Chalcedon is called the [i]Hypostatic Union[/i].

Let me reiterate the important doctrinal elements once again for you: at Nicaea, the Son was declared to be [i]homoousios[/i] (of one substance) with the Father. While at Chalcedon, which of course continued to affirm that the Son is [i]homoousios[/i] with the Father, the Son, because of the incarnation, was also declared to be [i]homoousios[/i] with humanity, and so the incarnate Word is both true God and true man, in one person.

So you see, the two councils were called for different reasons and they dealt with different aspects of the Christian Mystery: Nicaea dealt with the relationship between the Father and the Son, and thus basically covered the Trinity; while Chalcedon, which accepted the Trinitarian formulations of Nicaea, dealt with the nature of the person of the Son, not only in His relationship to God the Father, but also in His relationship to humanity.

God bless,
Todd

Edited August 11, 2004 by Apotheoun