ICTHUS Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 (edited) [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Aug 19 2004, 08:52 PM'] I can't believe you actually think that...you don't, do you? [/quote] No, I was kidding, sort of. I believe that Roman Catholicism supresses the Truth in its wickedness, as per Romans 1, because it is a corrupt agent of Satan for the destruction of souls, but I don't believe that the people on this board have taken away mine (and Circle Masters) pm privileges in order to intentionally supress the Truth. The reason I say the above is that when I was a Roman Catholic, I heard all kinds of talk about staying away from Protestantism (I even saw a confession pamphlet about confessing involvement in Bible believing churches!), and a Roman Catholic schoolteacher of mine told me that reading the Scriptures was unnecessary to the Faith of Christ. By teaching these things (or letting them go on), Romanism shows itself to be a supressor of the Truth contained in the Scriptures. Edited August 22, 2004 by ICTHUS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Catholic reservations regarding Protestantism are well-founded for the simple fact that Proestantism is 30,000 different things at once. You got Mainline, Liberal Protestantism, Fundamentalism, Evangelicalism, Classical Protestantism, Reformed which exists solely for the purpose of debating theology as it always has, and then all the endless lists of denominations and cultic offshoots. It's no wonder Catholics are a little spooked at times by this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 [quote]a Roman Catholic schoolteacher of mine told me that reading the Scriptures was unnecessary to the Faith of Christ. [/quote] [i]Reading[/i] the scriptures IS unnecessary, though highly advised if it can be done. [i]Living[/i] them is what is necessary. No one claims that the illiterate descend immediately to Hell. All that is necessary is that Christ's message be taught, believed, and lived. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justified Saint Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 So true Jeff. Catholic teaching places such a profoundly different emphasis on the gospel that I fear too often escapes the notice of many Protestants - especially those that are caught up in too much Bible academia. Historically, the difference can more or less be noticed. The Catholic Church has always been known for its places of refuge, its shelters, schools, and hospitals. I simply don't see this legacy as much with those Christians of the Protestant persuasion. Admittedly this is a broad generalization and certainly I am not saying that Protestants don't care about these things or haven't contributed to a lot of social justice - of course they have. But the fact is that the emphasis doesn't seem to be as strong as it is with Catholics and ultimately I think it stems from how we understand the gospel of Christ. With Protestants its all about faith alone while as a rule Catholic teaching places a rather deeper understanding of the gospel than this. I want to avoid generalizations which should be real easy to do when talking about Protestants because by their factitious nature they are so un-general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiannii Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 [quote name='ICTHUS' date='Aug 22 2004, 02:06 PM'] No, I was kidding, sort of. I believe that Roman Catholicism supresses the Truth in its wickedness, as per Romans 1, because it is a corrupt agent of Satan for the destruction of souls, but I don't believe that the people on this board have taken away mine (and Circle Masters) pm privileges in order to intentionally supress the Truth. The reason I say the above is that when I was a Roman Catholic, I heard all kinds of talk about staying away from Protestantism (I even saw a confession pamphlet about confessing involvement in Bible believing churches!), and a Roman Catholic schoolteacher of mine told me that reading the Scriptures was unnecessary to the Faith of Christ. By teaching these things (or letting them go on), Romanism shows itself to be a supressor of the Truth contained in the Scriptures. [/quote] So can I get something straightened out here: you are basing your judgements on Catholicism on your individual experience with a few Catholics who may have had the wrong idea? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 no i don't think so i'd say he over intellectualized his faith as a Catholic and when he came to false conclusions in his studies, they became part of his faith, and then he started tearing holes in his own false conclusions and before he knew it he was out of the Catholic Church and in the clutches of liars who distorted his mind and convinced him to dig up any little discrepency he could remember as a Catholic and bring it up out of context to try to proove the Church wrong that's just my analysis of watching him here for the past year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTHUS Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 [quote name='JeffCR07' date='Aug 22 2004, 12:40 AM'] [i]Reading[/i] the scriptures IS unnecessary, though highly advised if it can be done. [i]Living[/i] them is what is necessary. [/quote] Jeff, I can see your point. Of course I would not expect an illiterate person to read the Scriptures, though ideally, any Christian missionary who brings the Scriptures to an illiterate people ought to teach them to read and write, too. The person in question here was a highly intelligent man, and of course, literate. He simply refused to be educated in the Scriptures, seeing it as unnecessary to his faith. This is the lax attitude towards the Bible that I'm referring to - and I've seen it more times than a few - is simply disturbing and I wonder why, if the Roman Heirarchy is aware of it, they don't do something to correct it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Icthus, my only reply to this is that it is not a problem of the Roman Hierarchy, but of human nature. It seems to me that, because there [i]is[/i] a hierarchy within the Church, many find it easy to just shift all the blame there. However, this should not be the case. There are a great many Protestants I have met who have told me that they dont need to study the Bible, or even strive to be better people, because, since they have accepted Jesus, they are saved, period. Now, I would never claim that this is true of all Protestants, so I would beg you not assert it true of all Catholics. The lukewarm and mistaken exist in all faiths, it is a testiment to our weakness as human beings. Let us turn our eyes from this personal weakness, and rather consider the actual teachings of our faiths. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yiannii Posted August 22, 2004 Share Posted August 22, 2004 Funny how the question wasn't answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 23, 2004 Share Posted August 23, 2004 yiannii, while I certainly understand your feelings of frustration at having your question left unanswered, please remember charity. I use sarcasm far too much as well, but we should work to not become overly irritated. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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