Itching To Debate

[VeraMaria]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 8 2004, 06:25 PM'] Already going through the process to join, and awaiting orders.

It's reading "Catholicism and Fundamentalism" that is doing it to me. It's an amazing book. [/quote]
I have to read that book one day...

I just finished Hail Holy Queen and I'm reading parts of the "Catholic Answers Book of Mary", I'm hoping to prepare for a Protestant friend coming back from vacation (whew, even during vacation he sent a bunch of e-mails accusing me of Mary-worshipping) and also the Crusade.

Reading books of conversion stories like "surprised by Truth" actually give me a lot of basis...it's a good way to learn apologetics.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 8 2004, 03:50 PM'] I'm just itching to debate fundamentalists. There aren't any left here at phatmass or at Flyfree to debate. Help. [/quote]
you'll get ur chance bro just waiting on everyone to fill out the skills assessment

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='JeffCR07' date='Aug 8 2004, 09:51 PM'] his geocentrism aside, the most important thing is that he has become (as Dave alluded) a sedevacantist, which, as I'm pretty sure you already know - but I will explain anyways, lol - means that he believes the seat of Peter to be vacant, and that our Holy Father John Paul II is not the real pope. [/quote]
This is not my understanding from what I have read, and I'm far from being an "ultra-traditionalist". So that no one, well known or not, gets unjustly accused on our forum, could I have a source please?

[Guest JeffCR07]

hmm, I believe the article was actually posted on phatmass a while ago. I will try to find it for you.

edit: I sincerely hope you all are right and I simply have a bad memory as to who became a sedevacantist. Just so we are clear, I retract all previous statements until I can find the post of which I am thinking.

- Your Brother In Christ, Jeff

Edited August 10, 2004 by JeffCR07

[Fides_et_Ratio]

[quote name='JeffCR07' date='Aug 9 2004, 10:01 PM'] hmm, I believe the article was actually posted on phatmass a while ago. I will try to find it for you.

edit: I sincerely hope you all are right and I simply have a bad memory as to who became a sedevacantist. Just so we are clear, I retract all previous statements until I can find the post of which I am thinking.

- Your Brother In Christ, Jeff [/quote]
I heard it too... though I think I might've read it on Mark Shea's (?) blog..

[Guest JeffCR07]

Is that a credible source, and if so, do you think you could find it? I am having trouble locating the post on phatmass, I think it was a while ago and may have been deleted.

[MorphRC]

Ill go check the thread

[phatcatholic]

Here are all the threads at phatmass in which Robert Sungenis' name is mentioned:

--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=17447&hl=robert+sungenis"]Learned Something New[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=17328&hl=robert+sungenis"]Episcopalian Errors 39 Points[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=16310&hl=robert+sungenis"]Reply to Criticisms of Pope John Paul 2[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=16453&hl=robert+sungenis"]To Icthus[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=14610&hl=robert+sungenis"]The Rampant Liberalism of the NAB[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=14852&hl=robert+sungenis"]Ultra-Trads Give Legit-Trads a Bad Name[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=13747&hl=robert+sungenis"]Sad Day for Catholic Apologetics: [i][b]Mario Derksen[/b][/i] Has Become a Sedavacantist[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=14263&hl=robert+sungenis"]Spiritual Warnings in the Bible[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=13993&hl=robert+sungenis"]Romans 8:30[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=13688&hl=robert+sungenis"]I Need Help![/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=11029&hl=robert+sungenis"]Who Wants to Make Me a Catholic First? LOL[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=11223&hl=robert+sungenis"]Veils[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=9989&hl=robert+sungenis"]Bush - More "Catholic" than Kerry?[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=9445&hl=robert+sungenis"]Speaking in Tongues[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=8308&hl=robert+sungenis"]Baptism Is Required[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=8556&hl=robert+sungenis"]Book on Justification[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=3497&hl=robert+sungenis"]Not Justified by Faith Alone?[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=2534&hl=robert+sungenis"]Debate/Prayers Asked[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=382&hl=robert+sungenis"]Are You Saved?[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=520&hl=robert+sungenis"]Formal Debates[/url]
--[url="http://phorum.phatmass.com/index.php?showtopic=291&hl=robert+sungenis"]Most Influential Catholic Apologist[/url]


i also found, at [url="http://www.catholicintl.com/"][b]his website[/b][/url], two articles that shed light on this issue:

--[url="http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/DiscussionSede.asp"]A Frank Discussion with a Sedevacantist about the SSPX and John Paul II[/url]
--[url="http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/DiscussionSSPX.asp"]A Frank Discussion with a Supporter of the St. Pius X Society (SSPX)[/url]


pax christi,
phatcatholic

Edited August 11, 2004 by phatcatholic

[Fides_et_Ratio]

[quote]Sad Day for Catholic Apologetics: [i]Mario Derksen [/i]Has Become a Sedavacantist[/quote]
THAT'S who I was thinking of... whoops!

Too many apologeticists with traditional leanings. It's hard to keep track of who went too far, etc.

oops.

[p0lar_bear]

Mr. Sungenius is not a sedevacantist, but most of the Catholic apologetics world no longer considers him reputable. His attacks on the Holy Father are unexcusable.

[Theoketos]

[url="http://lackinga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=721&start=30"]http://lackinga.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=721&start=30[/url]

This place is great for debate.

[Lil Red]

[quote name='VeraMaria' date='Aug 9 2004, 11:02 AM'] I have to read that book one day...

I just finished Hail Holy Queen and I'm reading parts of the "Catholic Answers Book of Mary", I'm hoping to prepare for a Protestant friend coming back from vacation (whew, even during vacation he sent a bunch of e-mails accusing me of Mary-worshipping) and also the Crusade.

Reading books of conversion stories like "surprised by Truth" actually give me a lot of basis...it's a good way to learn apologetics. [/quote]
I LOVE HAIL HOLY QUEEN!!!!

What an awesome read! So inspiring!! I love how Scott Hahn loops everything together!

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Lil Red' date='Aug 11 2004, 04:56 PM'] I LOVE HAIL HOLY QUEEN!!!!

What an awesome read! So inspiring!! I love how Scott Hahn loops everything together! [/quote]
Anyone who likes Hahn's "Hail Holy Queen", would like "Mystical Rose", by Cardinal Newman. While reading "Hail, Holy Queen" I could quite easily perceive that Newman's book was largely Hahn's inspiration.

[Lil Red]

i'll put that on my list, thanks!

but first i have to finish all the other books i have, but haven't started yet, like "Scripture Matters" "Dark Night of the Soul" "The Truth of Catholicism" etc.

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='p0lar_bear' date='Aug 11 2004, 03:52 PM'] Mr. Sungenius is not a sedevacantist, but most of the Catholic apologetics world no longer considers him reputable. His attacks on the Holy Father are unexcusable. [/quote]
what attacks? So his whole set of works are suddenly worthless now?