carrdero Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 MichaelFilo writes: God openly has conversations with you, in literal, oral fashion? No booming voices, the converstaion comes from within I assume this is the way it comes to other Biblical authors. I just had to write most of it down so I wouldn't forget. Why, does this surprise you? Honest question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 Many people have spoken with God, this is nothing new. I asked because I was curious. The reason I typed up "honest question" was so that you may know, I had no intent to use your answer agianst you. If you say you hear a voice from within, then I can all but believe you. About it's divine nature, I can't agree, but thats another thread. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 ok i didnt read any of the other posts but this is how ill put it- btw tell me if im rong- God doesnt need or require our worship. Its more like we need him. He is so good and did so much for us (including sending his son to die for our sins) that we need to thank him- its the least we can do. but would he be any less Godly without it? no God= good God is goodness in its purest state. thats why ppl say oh my goodness or thank goodness- cuz God is goodness. we as humans want to be part of his goodness- so we pray to him and worship him because he is all that is good. and he is the only one who can save us. idk im kinda new at this apologetics stuff- maybe one of u more seasoned apologeticer can give me sum tips of the trade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 14, 2004 Author Share Posted August 14, 2004 (edited) MichaelFilo writes: The reason I typed up "honest question" was so that you may know, I had no intent to use your answer agianst you. I understand. I believe all questions to be honest (and sincere) no matter what intentions people have for my answers. MichaelFilo writes:About it's divine nature, I can't agree, but thats another thread. Actually, it is almost impossible for me to PROVE. I do not believe that GOD is really concern so much about PROVING his identity as much as he is willing to share the message. Many people who I have spoken to about my relationship with GOD are so intent on DISPROVING this realtionship that they sometimes fail to see the message or that the message makes sense, or at least it does to me anyway. But like I mentioned before on other posts, I do not believe everything that drips off GOD's tongue. Edited August 14, 2004 by carrdero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 It's not so much as dissproving, it's just that God to you, seems to be.... very different from the God I've known. Anyways, again, that is another post. God bless, Mikey PS. How come you don't believe everything God says? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curtins Posted August 14, 2004 Share Posted August 14, 2004 can sumbody just tell me if im right or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 15, 2004 Author Share Posted August 15, 2004 (edited) curtins writes: can sumbody just tell me if im right or not? curtins writes: idk im kinda new at this apologetics stuff- maybe one of u more seasoned apologeticer can give me sum tips of the trade Ahem- Ahem! Well you see curtins what GOD requires is- Uh-I mean maybe you better wait for the seasoned apologeticer for that answer. Edited August 15, 2004 by carrdero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 15, 2004 Author Share Posted August 15, 2004 MichaelFilo writes: It's not so much as dissproving, it's just that God to you, seems to be.... very different from the God I've known. Anyways, again, that is another post. Trust Me. I was as shocked as you are. :skitzo: MichaelFilo writes: PS. How come you don't believe everything God says? One reason is because some things that GOD explains to me are very difficult to PROVE as a TRUTH and the other reason is because GOD would explain something to me and I just don't see how practical it could be in the type of world that I live in today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 carrdero, Are you looking to just find fault with responses, or are you looking for some light of truth? The circumstances of my analogy was properly qualified. I guess I misunderstood your motives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megamattman1 Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 That was a nice thread JasJis. I think what he wanted is for you to respond to why would God sentence us to hell for not loving Him? I know some here would say not loving Him is hell, but others would have different answers too. There are many ways to look at how God sentences us to hell: We send ourselves to hell by virtue of the way we want to live now and in the hereafter and God just says okay. God would let you do it over here if only you would. I haven't met a Catholic that has agreed with this yet. We "send ourselves" to hell by living poorly. God must sentence us out of justice. We knew what we should have done. It is possible to wish to do it over again if you could in this case but can't. Some say there's two types of justice here: either one where God knows all you're going to do is fall again if you begin to try, so he cuts you off completely. And then there's where God will cut you off even though you would have be different. Some would by pass the whole "sending yourself" route and say God sends us to hell cause we knew better and didn't change. I know this was not very organized, but I think you can sort of see where I am going with this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 15, 2004 Author Share Posted August 15, 2004 jasJis writes: carrdero, Are you looking to just find fault with responses, or are you looking for some light of truth? The circumstances of my analogy was properly qualified. I guess I misunderstood your motives. Actually I am not looking for either. It is just common sense not to compare relationships with other Beings to GOD. GOD is not my father and he should not be compared to a father figure. I cannot speak for everyones father but I do not think that GOD would make the same decisions that my father made or react to the same situations like my father has. Some fathers have a tendency to disappoint not only themselves, but their children or other family members. This is not a quality that you can TRUTHFULLY apply to GOD or at least I cannot through my relationship. I honor and respect my father like I do all the relationships that I encourage but to continue to see/compare/exalt/worship GOD as a fatherly figure is unhealthy as well as UNNATURAL. If you need to catagorize GOD the term "friend" will accurately fit the description of this BEing but a friend like you have never experienced before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 carredo, Your arrogance is insulting, and only leads to blindness. God speaks to us in human terms because He wishes to bring himself down to our level and lift us up to His level. Even Christ taught about His father by using examples of human father's love and human mother's love. Also, please don't assume you know or can caterogize they type of nature of my relationship with God. It's about Grace. What's God given and how we've responded. Dont' chastise the efforts of others based on your personal experiences. If you want sympathy or empathy for your bad experiences, you aren't going to get it that way. What's really bothering you? Can you talk about it plainly and directly so that we may offer some help, advice, sympathy, or prayers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 15, 2004 Author Share Posted August 15, 2004 jasJis writes: God speaks to us in human terms because He wishes to bring himself down to our level and lift us up to His level. Actually the way my relationship was established with GOD is that I kind of met GOD half way. jasJis writes: Even Christ taught about His father by using examples of human father's love and human mother's love. You must remember that Christ may have had ideal parents to compare to. Look around you, does everyone have parents like Joseph and Mary? Does anybody have parents resembling the parents of early Christians? jasJis writes: Also, please don't assume you know or can caterogize they type of nature of my relationship with God. When applicable I have considerately used my personal experiences to state my case. jasJis writes: It's about Grace. Is Grace another Phatmass member? jasJis writes: Dont' chastise the efforts of others based on your personal experiences. What would you have me base my personal experiences or beliefs on? A book/faith/what I heard from someone else? jasJis writes: If you want sympathy or empathy for your bad experiences, you aren't going to get it that way. Where did I ever write that I had bad experiences? Where are you drawing these conclusions from? Where in my posts have you ever detected a “cry for help” or understanding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 [quote name='carrdero' date='Aug 15 2004, 10:08 AM'] jasJis writes: Even Christ taught about His father by using examples of human father's love and human mother's love. You must remember that Christ may have had ideal parents to compare to. Look around you, does everyone have parents like Joseph and Mary? Does anybody have parents resembling the parents of early Christians? [/quote] Do you mean loving parents that may have gotten pregnant out of wedlock? Do you mean loving parents? Do you mean loving parents that are poor? Do you mean loving parents with a father who does manual labor? Do you mean loving parents with a mother who stays at home? Look around. The anser is YES! Read the Bible. Jesus rarely used His parents in teaching examples, but he did use many parental examples to teach, just as he used people in his parables. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted August 15, 2004 Share Posted August 15, 2004 [quote name='carrdero' date='Aug 15 2004, 08:08 AM']jasJis writes: Even Christ taught about His father by using examples of human father's love and human mother's love. You must remember that Christ may have had ideal parents to compare to. Look around you, does everyone have parents like Joseph and Mary? Does anybody have parents resembling the parents of early Christians?[/quote] Joseph was Christ's foster-father. God is Christ's actual Father. [quote name='carrdero' date='Aug 15 2004, 08:08 AM']jasJis writes: Also, please don't assume you know or can caterogize they type of nature of my relationship with God. When applicable I have considerately used my personal experiences to state my case. [/quote] That's all you've used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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