I Don't Get It.....

[MichaelFilo]

Bush, however much I don't enjoy supporting him, needs to be voted for. Kerry is doom to children, the unborn.

God bless,

Mikey

[Matty_boy]

Morph,

I'm having kindof a hard time finding any quotes of President Bush saying "Saddam is not a threat," and "Saddam does not have WMDs." As I seem to recall, when PResident Bush announced that he was going to war against Saddam with or without the U.N., the media went crazy accusing President Bush of planning the war against Saddam even before President Bush was elected. Heck, even President Clinton said there were WMDs in Iraq, and he got the same info from the CIA as President Bush.

Furthermore, the prisoner abuse scandal happened back in January and the people involved were already on trial and on their way to being disciplined before the media even broke the story. Things were already being done about the prisoner abuse. [url="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4894001/"]Prisoner Abuse[/url]

Also, if you'd read the real news like www.drudgereport.com or www.reuters.com, you might find the WHOLE story to the WMDs instead of the propaganda that the liberal media. You'd also find out that the U.S. reported a $19.4 billion SURPLUS in June meaning the U.S. Government had an extra $19.4 billion in tax revenues. Also, unemployment is down to 5.5% which is excellent. [url="http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5659963"]U.S. Surplus[/url]

imperialism

\Im*pe"ri*al*ism\, n. The policy, practice, or advocacy of seeking, or acquiescing in, the extension of the control, dominion, or empire of a nation, as by the acquirement of new, esp. distant, territory or dependencies, or by the closer union of parts more or less independent of each other for operations of war, copyright, internal commerce, etc.

I think using the term "typical American imperialist attitude" is a little inaccurate. Okay, a lot inaccurate.

Zi·on·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (z-nzm)
n.
A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

Also, where have we ever heard that President Bush is immoral and hypocritical. I'll agree that President Bush is a zionist, but what's so wrong with being a zionist? Our society likes to call Islam "the religion of peace," which is total carp because they are responsible for most of the wars, fighting, terrorism in the world right now.
The Palestinians use suicide bombers on buses and in restaurants in Israel, and their "President," Yasser Arafat, is also a terrorist leader. He even told his "armies" not to attack the Olympics this year. How come so many liberals support a country/government like that? The Jewish state was founded so that the Jewish people could have a refuge of peace, and all they've gotten in return is terrorist attacks. I say God bless them for putting up that wall to keep the terrorists out.

Finally, I have to agree with Brother Adam here. The only thing you can seem to do well is call names without any evidence to support your argument.

BTW your profile says you're in AUSTRALIA so if you can't say anything intelligent about American politics, shut your pie hole. The Americans here have a right to say whatever they want about American politics because they can take action to try to change things here. You're just jealous because your country works on a parliamentary system and still have the Queen of England as your chief of state. You wanna talk about imperialism? England was the most imperialistic government in history. They occupied everyone for exploitation, and your whole government system is modeled after them! Who's the hypocrite now.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Matty_boy' date='Aug 9 2004, 03:03 AM'] Mattys Post. [/quote]
[quote]I'm having kindof a hard time finding any quotes of President Bush saying "Saddam is not a threat," and "Saddam does not have WMDs."  As I seem to recall, when PResident Bush announced that he was going to war against Saddam with or without the U.N., the media went crazy accusing President Bush of planning the war against Saddam even before President Bush was elected.  Heck, even President Clinton said there were WMDs in Iraq, and he got the same info from the CIA as President Bush.  [/quote]

You need to get a documentary, called 'The World According to Bush'. It has the clips, and personal testimonies.

[quote]Furthermore, the prisoner abuse scandal happened back in January and the people involved were already on trial and on their way to being disciplined before the media even broke the story.  Things were already being done about the prisoner abuse.[/quote]

True. But it should not have happened in the first place.

[quote]Also, if you'd read the real news like www.drudgereport.com or www.reuters.com, you might find the WHOLE story to the WMDs instead of the propaganda that the  liberal media.  You'd also find out that the U.S. reported a $19.4 billion SURPLUS in June meaning the U.S. Government had an extra $19.4 billion in tax revenues.  Also, unemployment is down to 5.5% which is excellent.  [url="http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5659963"]U.S. Surplus[/url][/quote]

Meet the press, showed a statistic of 2.5Million jobs lost in 3 yrs.

[quote]imperialism

\Im*pe"ri*al*ism\, n. The policy, practice, or advocacy of seeking, or acquiescing in, the extension of the control, dominion, or empire of a nation, as by the acquirement of new, esp. distant, territory or dependencies, or by the closer union of parts more or less independent of each other for operations of war, copyright, internal commerce, etc.[/quote]

It also has a broader term, of unlawful warfare.

[quote]I think using the term "typical American imperialist attitude" is a little inaccurate.  Okay, a lot inaccurate.   

Zi·on·ism    ( P )  Pronunciation Key  (z-nzm)
n.
A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.

Also, where have we ever heard that President Bush is immoral and hypocritical.  I'll agree that President Bush is a zionist, but what's so wrong with being a zionist?  Our society likes to call Islam "the religion of peace," which is total carp because they are responsible for most of the wars, fighting, terrorism in the world right now.
The Palestinians use suicide bombers on buses and in restaurants in Israel, and their "President," Yasser Arafat, is also a terrorist leader.  He even told his "armies" not to attack the Olympics this year.  How come so many liberals support a country/government like that?  The Jewish state was founded so that the Jewish people could have a refuge of peace, and all they've gotten in return is terrorist attacks.  I say God bless them for putting up that wall to keep the terrorists out. [/quote]

[quote]I'll agree that President Bush is a zionist, but what's so wrong with being a zionist?[/quote]

Its a racist, anti-gentile movement.

[quote]Our society likes to call Islam "the religion of peace," which is total carp because they are responsible for most of the wars, fighting, terrorism in the world right now.[/quote]

I wouldnt go that far. I believe Americas foreign policy has done just as much damage in the world as terrorism.

[quote]The Jewish state was founded so that the Jewish people could have a refuge of peace, and all they've gotten in return is terrorist attacks. [/quote]

Might want to go into more detail on that. The first form of terrorism was perpertrated by Jews in Israel, on the British mandate.

[quote] I say God bless them for putting up that wall to keep the terrorists out.[/quote]

Yes theyve done a good job, of keeping stolen land.

[quote]Finally, I have to agree with Brother Adam here.  The only thing you can seem to do well is call names without any evidence to support your argument. [/quote]

Have any of you seen ANY news these past 3 yrs?

[quote]BTW your profile says you're in AUSTRALIA so if you can't say anything intelligent about American politics, shut your pie hole.  The Americans here have a right to say whatever they want about American politics because they can take action to try to change things here.  You're just jealous because your country works on a parliamentary system and still have the Queen of England as your chief of state.  You wanna talk about imperialism?  England was the most imperialistic government in history.  They occupied everyone for exploitation, and your whole government system is modeled after them!  Who's the hypocrite now.[/quote]

[quote]BTW your profile says you're in AUSTRALIA so if you can't say anything intelligent about American politics, shut your pie hole. [/quote]

Wonderful Christian attitude there..lol

Can an asian be an expert on ancient egypt without actually being egyptian, or living in egypt? Dont need to live in a country to know about, thats why they call this the [b]INFORMATION AGE[/b].

[quote]The Americans here have a right to say whatever they want about American politics because they can take action to try to change things here. [/quote]

And the same applies to countries that are affected by the stupid and immoral actions of YOUR president.

[quote]You're just jealous because your country works on a parliamentary system and still have the Queen of England as your chief of state. [/quote]

I got no problem with my country, or the parliamentary system, I have problems with [u]SOME[/u] politicians. As for the Queen, yes, and I dont like that, however she has no power of this country.

[quote]You wanna talk about imperialism?  England was the most imperialistic government in history.  They occupied everyone for exploitation, and your whole government system is modeled after them!  Who's the hypocrite now.[/quote]

The French and the Spainish done a good job to. As well as the Dutch.

Might wanna check your own hsitory to.

Whos the hypocrite now? I dont know, can you tell me sir?

[Brother Adam]

What time of day is it over there Morph? It's 1 in the afternoon here.

I'm curious, why so interested in our politics here in America?

Will get back to debate later. . .

[Ash Wednesday]

I can't stand Kerry. I don't hate the man but he really grates my inner chalkboard.

As my old man says, "He talks out of both sides of his mouth." He's a confessed war criminal, but he sure is proud of his purple hearts.

I don't agree with everything Bush has done, but even Clinton defended Bush in part in front of his fellow Democrats: "He's just doing what he said he would do."

I do not think Bush is the sole blame for Iraq and I don't understand why people overlook the CIA and the flawed intelligence that lead up to it. I am not a rah-rah Republican kind of person, but I am sick of the shrill and vitriolic mindset and bellyaching that George W. Bush is the sole blame for all the problems in the world and its downfall.

I find this backlash to be nothing sensible but pure un-Christian and inhumane hatred and has nothing to do with his policies but people's hatred towards the man.

[MorphRC]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Aug 9 2004, 03:28 AM'] What time of day is it over there Morph? It's 1 in the afternoon here.

I'm curious, why so interested in our politics here in America?

Will get back to debate later. . . [/quote]
Its 2:30am Here..

Cause we have an alliance with America, and America has many times ended up [color=red]not a word used on phatmass[/color]other countries for its own profit. And especially lately over the Free Trade Agreement, were getting screwed by the US in that, and Howard [bushs buddy] wants it passed, but Latham [Labor Man! ] has stopped it, and asked for amendments, one to the medical drugs part, where corporations cant withhold new treatment, and our media wont be flooded with US junk.

GO LATHAM GO!

Edited August 9, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[Brother Adam]

get some sleep dude.

[MorphRC]

I am in 5 minutes.

btw watch your post count, im gaining ...

[Brother Adam]

Quality not quantity.

[MorphRC]

Yeah well you got me on that..LOL

Still Statistics make the headlines

[IcePrincessKRS]

Isn't calling us all Imperialistic Americans somehow against phorum guidelines?

I'm getting tired of all these ridiculous posts.... dude, you're not American, you can't vote here, give it a rest! Please! :haha:

[Ash Wednesday]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Aug 8 2004, 02:33 PM'] :haha: [/quote]
:haha:

[MorphRC]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Aug 9 2004, 06:03 AM'] Isn't calling us all Imperialistic Americans somehow against phorum guidelines?

I'm getting tired of all these ridiculous posts.... dude, you're not American, you can't vote here, give it a rest! Please! :haha: [/quote]
Did I Call [b]AMERICANS[/b] Imperialistics, or the [b]US ADMIN[/b]?

Plz Read Closer.

[Matty_boy]

I did some research on "The World According to Bush" and William Korel, the director of the film. The movie was released in France by the Swiss director and was held in reserve for the Cannes Film Festival in case Fahrenheit 9/11 wasn't finished in time. Another movie made by Mr. Korel is "The Dark Side of the Moon" which is a "documentary" supporting the idea that landing on the moon was faked by NASA. I don't think Mr. Korels ideas can be cited as a credible source. [url="http://www.orwelltoday.com/moonhoaxdoc.shtml"]Dark Side of the Moon[/url]

I agree that the prisoner abuse scandal should never have happened. Bush had nothing to do with it.

As far as jobs are concerned, Meet the Press had Mary Matalin on March 4th. [url="http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4456277/"]transcript[/url] She said that 75% of the jobs lost were lost in 2001 and that 40% of those jobs were lost within 90 days after 9/11 (not the movie). Do you remember how bad the economy was after the World Trade Center was destroyed? Even before that, the economy was already heading downhill while President Clinton was in office.

If you read carefully, the definition I got from www.dictionary.com encompasses unlawful warfare. It doesn't say it word for word, but in many words with the same effect.

I don't understand how being a zionist is anti-gentile. The Muslims are the ones who killed the Jews and Christians living in Jerusalem in the 7th century, and the Muslims are the ones killing Jews and Christians today. I've never heard of any Jews killing any Christians or hurting any Christians.

The British mandate, also strongly supported by President Truman, was not a form of terrorism. The Jews in Israel are not suicide bombing crowded buses or restaurants, like the Islamic Palestinians do.

You need to cite some sources on some of your comments. Also, you're not an expert on American politics, logic, or reason. Living in a particular country is way different than reading about it in National Geographic or watching Michael Moore movies. You also still haven't said how President Bush has acted immorally. How has America's foreign policy done more damage than terrorism? Give some support to your arguments.

Finally, the United States was formed by a bunch of settlers from many different countries that came to the New World to start a new life away from the tyranny of monarchys. They weren't part of a conquering force from another country with the intent of exploiting the land to make things better back home. They didn't start pushing the indians west until after the U.S. government was formed. Many European countries have occupied parts of the world for years for all kinds of exploitation. America has occupied other countries solely for noble causes (Germany in WWII, Iraq now, etc).

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Raphael' date='Aug 7 2004, 03:02 PM']
Now, now, Adam, there is no need for that.

It's spelled "a**es." [/quote]
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