Conservative & Liberialism In The Faith.

[White Knight]

From what I see in the public and public views points in alot of cases is, that Most pastors, Revs, Bishops, etc etc, are Conservative. But I see every now and then a Liberial Pastor, Rev, Bishop or whatever....... how can you be a Liberial and a Pastor, when that area clashes to much together.


Liberials generally support Abortion, Homosexually, Cloning, & Euthnasia
Faith which you have goes against all those things, A Flip Flop thing? Yes indeed.

Now I am aware of the compremises between alot of people's faith and other personal beliefs aside their faith. but really is it Even possiable to be a True Believer in Christ and be a Extreme hard core Liberial at the sametime?


I dont think it is.


Now I see, Conservatives are generally for Pro-life, Small Government, Big Military, Anti-Cloning, Pro-Traditional Marriage, Pro Religious Communities & rights, Anti-Homosexual, & Self Support Reliants.

Now the Faith and these other issues go along with each other better in this case...



Now my question is, how can you be a Liberial Believer when your condriting yourself?


Why is it some Protestant & Catholic Schools are Liberial and not Conservative?

[Ash Wednesday]

I view the Church as being neither liberal nor conservative but in a class all her own.

I think the most accurate description would be "Orthodox" and "Heterodox" but I know what you are saying and I'll stop splitting hairs. It's pretty alarming how the "educated elite" hold such heterodox/liberal views on abortion, contraception, gay marriage yet tout themselves as "totally Catholic."

Though there are some political issues that Catholics CAN disagree on and still remain faithful to the magesterium. These do NOT include abortion, euthanasia and gay marriage, though. But I'd say the extent of legislating military action, gun control, and use of the death penalty has differed among many faithful Catholics (faithful meaning opposition to abortion, gay marriages, artificial contraception, etc.)


I think a lot of the "heterodox liberalism" has come about because of the revolution in the 60s, misinterpretation of Vatican II (i.e. "just use your conscience and trust your FEELINGS!" )... some of today's Catholics were raised being told all of that, or took stock into teachers at Catholic schools that followed unfaithful heterodox liberal theologians.

[White Knight]

[quote]Though there are some political issues that Catholics CAN disagree on and still remain faithful to the magesterium. These do NOT include abortion, euthanasia and gay marriage, though. But I'd say the extent of legislating military action, gun control, and use of the death penalty has differed among many faithful Catholics (faithful meaning opposition to abortion, gay marriages, artificial contraception, etc.)
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Well thats the thing, Liberialism is basically the majority of all those catagories those issues are the main Liberial Issues.

[Ash Wednesday]

True.

To be "liberal" on those issues mentioned, the ones concerning life and family, is NOT faithful to the magesterium and is gravely wrong. Those are issues that one can't compromise on.

There are some issues liberals are concerned about, such as the environment, that I agree with. But due to their stances on the family and life issues, their parties and politicians don't get my vote. We may agree with someone on certain issues, like how to address poverty and the environment, but if they don't protect life and family it disqualifies them from being a suitable candidate.

I used to be really frustrated with having to vote Republican because of that, but I guess I got used to it. Since my "left leaning" college days I've come to understand and appreciate more of where the far right is coming from, at least. Maybe it's from watching Fox News with my dad.

[White Knight]

[quote]I used to be really frustrated with having to vote Republican because of that, but I guess I got used to it.  Since my "left leaning" college days I've come to understand and appreciate more of where the far right is coming from, at least. Maybe it's from watching Fox News with my dad.[/quote]


LOL you watch Fox News too? I didn't know that lol, and I too also used to be more Liberial than I am, but ever since I came to know Jesus, the Truth has been revealed to me, and I notice the Conservative Right Wing Ways are more just than almost all Liberial Views. lol.

[Ash Wednesday]

As for the original question of how people can live in such a paradox way, I guess in the end it's the aspect of sin in our lives and our distorted human condition. Often we are conflicted in our own hearts.

There is someone I know who is a registered and die-hard Republican, and I don't know what his faith is, but he wants to marry a she-male he met on the internet and hardly knows (transgender male acting out as a woman.)

It simply boggles my mind.

[White Knight]

woah....... interesting.

[PedroX]

Any time you use labels, you need to be careful. Some of us might describe ourselves as liberal based on our view on taxes, or welfare or minority rights. Some of us might describe ourselves as conservative based on our adherence to the teachings of the magisterium. Some of us might be liberal on welfare, but conservative on theology. Oy, the mind boggles. Just be careful, and remember that there any all kinds of people.

peace...

[White Knight]

agreed.

[Norseman82]

[quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Aug 6 2004, 06:56 PM'] Since my "left leaning" college days I've come to understand and appreciate more of where the far right is coming from, at least. [/quote]
There is a saying: "Yesterday's liberal is today's conservative".

[White Knight]

Really never heard that before in my government class.