Christina Posted August 11, 2004 Author Share Posted August 11, 2004 (edited) The reason I started this tread was because I wanted to know if the CHURCH says having a Tattoo is a sin.... I don't really care what the personal beliefs are, not to be rude of course. I am not one who "goes with the crowd" or is influenced by the world. I don't wear makeup, don't have pierced ears and I don't "do" my hair. I make it look presentable and that's it. My dress is very conservative. I am not a "vain" person, but I have been thinking about getting a tattoo and I really can't explain why. It's not an obsession or whatever, I'm just thinking about it. If anyone can show me where or if the Church forbids it, then I won't do it. I am very loyal to the Church and if the Church says don't do it, I ain't gonna do it Heck, I don't even know if I will do it if I can. Edited August 11, 2004 by Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 [quote name='Christina' date='Aug 11 2004, 02:43 AM'] If anyone can show me where or if the Church forbids it, then I won't do it. I am very loyal to the Church and if the Church says don't do it, I ain't gonna do it Heck, I don't even know if I will do it if I can. [/quote] No one will be able to show you where the Church forbids it because the Church doesn't forbid it. If you do decide to get one, then happy tattoing! God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Posted August 11, 2004 Author Share Posted August 11, 2004 [quote name='Carrie' date='Aug 11 2004, 07:43 AM'] No one will be able to show you where the Church forbids it because the Church doesn't forbid it. If you do decide to get one, then happy tattoing! God Bless [/quote] hehe, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 [quote]You said that you are enhancing the body by placing a tattoo on it. Please tell me, how can we enhance what God has given us? Please give me some explanation, because I don't seem to understand how we can improve on what has given us.[/quote] God gave us wood and we carve it into beautiful crucifixes. God gave us marble, and we create beautiful statues... [quote]Mutilation of the body is required to get a tattoo... Tattoos require that the skin become peirced, and mutiliation of the body occur for a tattoo to be placed. [/quote] If this was the case, giving blood or getting a shot would be sinful. Since the Church doesn't teach that tattoos are sinful, it comes down to intent. If the intention is to mutilate the body, then of course it is sinful. I don't know anyone who gets a tattoo for that reason. Most people get tattoos to make a statement or because they want a permanent reminder of something--and simply appreciate the art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Oh yeah. I have a beard because it helps my face not look so fat. Yes, I know. I'm vain. I sin every time I shave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Oh yeah. I have a beard because it helps my face not look so fat. Yes, I know. I'm vain. I sin every time I shave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noel's angel Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 I agree, good point, u beeter at putting ur point across than i am Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Thank you dUSt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 OK, I know I'm going to catch flak for this, but I don't care, it is a pet peeve of mine. I remember the days when it was the MEN who wore tatoos and it was the WOMEN who wore earrings. I find women with tatoos unfeminine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Aug 11 2004, 12:58 PM'] OK, I know I'm going to catch flak for this, but I don't care, it is a pet peeve of mine. I remember the days when it was the MEN who wore tatoos and it was the WOMEN who wore earrings. I find women with tatoos unfeminine. [/quote] I'm not going to give you flak. That is your opinion and you have every right to that. Some men don't find it attractive on women, while others find it very attractive. It doesn't matter to me what any man (including my b/f) thinks about it, because I didn't get it for the sake of showing it to a man. It's personal to me and therefore the only opinion that matters to me is the Church's. God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 Carrie, you are on a roll! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted August 11, 2004 Share Posted August 11, 2004 [quote name='Lil Red' date='Aug 11 2004, 04:04 PM'] Carrie, you are on a roll! [/quote] This is the 3rd or 4th time we've discussed this in the past year. I'm getting used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 [quote name='Carrie' date='Aug 10 2004, 08:45 PM'] Seems to be what he thinks. Oh, and Ice, we'd better go straighten our curly hair to make it orderly, but we'd better stop there! MichaelFilo, I think the argument is ridiculous being as the Church DOES NOT condemn tattoos. I'll say again (for the 3rd time) you do not know better than the Church. Interesting how you condemn something that the Church does not. If that's your personal feeling, then fine, but don't make it like the Church is saying it's wrong. If it was considered mutilation, then the Church would say it's not ok, but this is not the case. God Bless [/quote] I don't like to be a party pooper, but just because the Catholic church doesn't say something is wrong, doesn't mean it isn't. Example, the ideas of the protestant reformation were NOT condemned (not all of them anyways, sola scriptura would be a point) until AFTER the reformation. That is to say, we can still be wrong, and the Church doesn't have to have it defined as wrong at that point in time. The Church doesn't teach tattoo's are wrong, again, in her ultimate wiseness, as she knows many native cultures have tattoos as part of their culture, and as I said before, the Church has always moved into a culture, not totally reversed it. To use your logic, that if the Church doesn't teach it's wrong, it must be alright, we can look no farther than to the idea that the Holy Spirit has a human, bodily form, and indeed walks the Earth. Now anyone on this thread could easily tell me how wrong that is, however, they could not show me any Church document disproving it, why? Because it is clearly proposterous. In defense against such an idea, one would only have to turn to the Nicean creed, and go from there. The point however, that I am trying to make, is the Church doesn't have to explicitly state something to define it's view on it. The Church has already deemed self-mutiliation wrong. Just because you get someone else to do it, doesn't justify it. Just as like suicide isn't justified in euthanasia, when you allow someone else to kill you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 [quote name='dUSt' date='Aug 11 2004, 10:12 AM'] [/quote] [quote]God gave us wood and we carve it into beautiful crucifixes. God gave us marble, and we create beautiful statues... [/quote] Sure, I agree. However, we are in the image of God, what can you do to better the image of God? Surely, you don't think that we as humans can better ourselves to improve upon the image of God? [quote]If this was the case, giving blood or getting a shot would be sinful.[/quote] This is taking me out of context. The Church has always held a special place for medical reasoning. Giving blood or receiving a shot have a greater good. Getting a tattoo has no greater good. The Church has taught self-mutilation is wrong. Holy scripture says it, and if you read the gospels, we'd know it's not in accordance with what Jesus taught. Giving blood is allowing yourself to be hurt, your skin puncutured, for anothers benefit. Getting a shot is for your greater good and health. A tattoo features none of these things. [quote] Since the Church doesn't teach that tattoos are sinful, it comes down to intent. If the intention is to mutilate the body, then of course it is sinful. I don't know anyone who gets a tattoo for that reason. Most people get tattoos to make a statement or because they want a permanent reminder of something--and simply appreciate the art.[/quote] Refer to my above post. Again, please if anyone will, name a saint who got a tattoo. I assure you, none exist. If truly, like the mission suggests, our ultimate goal is sainthood, then why would we want to do anything that could possibly remove us from God for the sake of a personal desire being fulfilled. You said you had a strong desire to get a tattoo, not all desires are to be fulfilled, on the contrary, most are to be evaded. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted August 12, 2004 Share Posted August 12, 2004 (edited) I agree with MichaelFilo. Tattoos don't have much of a point, they are simply permanent adornments. They don't really serve a purpose. That being said, I have one. It's kind of stupid. zodiac symbol. I sort of wish I hadn't gotten it. Edited August 12, 2004 by toledo_jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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