Knight4Mary Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Hey guys...I recently attended the Steubenville San Diego Youth conference ([url="http://www.steubenvillesd.com/"]http://www.steubenvillesd.com/[/url]) from July 23-25. Anyway, I heard Righteous B there and was a little disappointed with them. I'm not a rapper or anything...in fact I really don't care for R&B, hip-hop, rap, etc much at all. However, in the past, I've enjoyed certain Catholic rappers such as Fr. Stan Fortuna. So when Righteous B walked on to the stage, I was hoping to see an awesome group of Catholics trying to reach out to the youth via music, especially since this site (which I love and think is great how orthodox it is) sponsers them. However, I didn't like them much at all. Thier music was rather provocative and from what I've heard, they even used some words that were not very appropriate. In fact, they even had us take a "pledge" in the beginning to "shake my body as much as possible", etc. sort of thing...though that may not be the direct quote. So some of my friends and I left and went down to the Adoration Chapel and prayed, lol. Now I'm not saying that I don't give 2 thumbs to these guys for trying to reach out to the youth, etc. but from what it seems like, they just sort of took the popular rap or hip-hop from today and added Jesus' name a few times to make it all ok. Now I haven't looked at the lyrics themselves or anything but from [i]what I heard[/i] everything from the type of music to the lyrics didn't really seem that great. Fr. Stan seems to have much less provocative music and extremely good lyrics. Righteous B didn't seem to have that. Comments, anyone?? (...am I the only one out there who thinks this?? lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeTeamFamily Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 i really enjoy his stuff......i do think he could rap a little bit more about Church stuff (sacraments, mass, etc) but i still think he is awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NikoB Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Definately Good stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Righteous B is actually just one guy. His name is Bob. He's a really cool guy. Like you, I too wish he would rap more about the Church, but ya know--he's doing his own thing. He may be trying to reach a wider audience or something. I can't fault him for it. As long as he stays Catholic and doesn't have negative lyrics, phatmass will continue to support him. You might want to pick up the Phatmass CD called Massmatics--it's pretty much all about the church. Also, the new phatmass CD coming out soon called "Aftermass" has one song dedicated to each of the seven sacraments. Can't get much more Catholic than that! haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Wow, someone who agrees with me. I guess not everyone is going to be hardcore Catholic in everything (although I think they did a fine job during the middle ages). His lyrics aren't anything like the rest of rappers, but on the bright side, he's not that mainstream stuff. Although, to be honest, he may as well be -cussing and vulgar themes. His music is good, not where I'd turn to listen to Catholic rap anyways. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanmeyersmusic Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 a buddy of mine likes to say "it doesn't have to have beads to be catholic" our faith encompasses our entire lives, and some artists feel called to express that. others write music primarily about the church. others write music primarily to be used in the context of the liturgy. i'd hardly say that he may as well be cussing and promoting vulgar themes. that's not fair at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 [quote]i'd hardly say that he may as well be cussing and promoting vulgar themes. that's not fair at all. [/quote] i have to agree....cuz thats not his intention at all.... okay first off to this thread, i have to say i respect your opinion on maybe not getting into righteous B when you saw him but i really gotta say it just probably just wasnt your thing.....thats all....which is okay! thats cool! lol but i also see what you mean cuz i've seen fr. stan as well i haven't seen Righteous B do a rally before but thats cool that you guys went to pray...prayer is always good! tho i haven't heard him talk either, i have seen him perform before and righteous B is one very kewl catholic, his alot of things....youth minister, rapper, speaker and family man! he has his own way of doing things, yeah thats apparent, i've noticed he raps about many different things as well, but he still represents the faith but in his own unique way...... but his good, and getting better..... tho' in lyrics, phatmass is the definition of catholic rap........lol ooooh Yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flip Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 (edited) [quote name='ryanmeyersmusic' date='Aug 6 2004, 03:34 AM'] a buddy of mine likes to say "it doesn't have to have beads to be catholic" our faith encompasses our entire lives, and some artists feel called to express that. others write music primarily about the church. others write music primarily to be used in the context of the liturgy. i'd hardly say that he may as well be cussing and promoting vulgar themes. that's not fair at all. [/quote] i totally agree with this statement. I mean, I am rapper, who (will very soon) be Ctaholic. I agree with the CHurch. I Love the Church and I want to spread the knowledge and power of the Church. However, if you listen to most of Point 5 COvenant, or my solo stuff- we deal with life issues that all people go through, and we attempt to "work out our salvation with fear and trembling" throughout our songs and the the issues that we face as Christians in this world. we also love to have a party, and party jam songs are a must. (A qoute from Crispin - "to funkify the soul before heaven") We defenilty have some fun at our shows and excite and ignite the crowd, and all have a great time, good, clean, wholesome, fun times... however you do see APologetics and CHurch teaching on the Massmatics album and even more on the next Aftermass album... These cds are defenitly "Catholic with the beads" - so they might be more what you are looking for... so, case in point... righteous b (and alot of 'Cathoic Rappers' for that matter) rap and express what they personally go through, and how the Church affects them. Not neccessarily teahcing about CHurch doctrine, apologetics, etc. There is only one rapper that I can think of that spits only Catholic apologetics, teachings, and is sole purpose is to always rap about Catholicism - and that's MC Just. hes really dope and you would love his stuff... Also, again, the aftermass album will be all that. everything that is on that album is Apologetics, Church teachings, and the Sacraments. So there you have it, a couple of rap albums for you to enjoy... UNiversal love, J THe pRimate Edited August 7, 2004 by flip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 However flip, your music talks about the world with Catholic morals in mind. Your songs are uplifting. Although I may have said too much last time, and I probably did, Righteous B could be alot more Catholic, or even, like you, include some Cathlic morals in his songs, or maybe he just raps too fast and I miss it. He's good at that. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 LOL yeah a catholic artist needs make sure one can tell their a catholic artist someway,somehow! LOL i too think at least some should talk about the Catholic faith (very important)..... and lyrics are a good way to do that..... i like the song from righteous b on the jukebox cuz he says JPII, i think thats so dope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knight4Mary Posted August 7, 2004 Author Share Posted August 7, 2004 [quote name='littleflower+JMJ' date='Aug 7 2004, 03:05 PM']LOL yeah a catholic artist needs make sure one can tell their a catholic artist someway,somehow! LOL i too think at least some should talk about the Catholic faith (very important)..... and lyrics are a good way to do that..... [/quote] ya I most certainly agree... I actually went to Righteous B's site and looked at some of his lyrics there, and nearly all of it is very good. Maybe it's just the type of music that makes me dislike it, though I prob. shouldn't be saying that on this phorum (no offense all you hip-hop/rap lovers...you guys are awesome! lol) But I don't know, to me, at my first experience with Righteous B, he just kinda seemed a little too secular. I mean, part of being Catholic is being counter-cultural. On the other hand, I think it's great that he goes out there and does that stuff, I mean Jesus Himself said, "I am sending you like sheep in the midst of wolves; so be shrewd as serpents and simple as doves." (Matt. 10:16) So at the same time, I find myself congratulating "the Capital B", lol. In conclusion, I'd say it all comes down to St. Ignatius' principal and foundation. That is, if it helps one to get closer to his ultimate goal (heaven), and it is a good means (I don't know if I could really call Righteous B [i]bad[/i]), then the means should be used. Anywayz...I hope you guys understand I'm not trying so much to condemn Righteous B as to point out that maybe he should talk a little more about Christ. But I thank him and congratulate him for his ministry, all the same...God Bless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden.silence Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 [quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Aug 7 2004, 02:43 PM'] Righteous B could be alot more Catholic, or even, like you, include some Cathlic morals in his songs, or maybe he just raps too fast and I miss it. He's good at that. [/quote] Righteous B is as Catholic as it gets... The dude is a Youth Minister @ a Catholic Parish in Texas... Just because his rhymes aren't focused on some aspect of Apologetics does not make him any "less" of a "Catholic rapper" than the rappers here @ Phatmass... Dude rhymes about our Lord and his faith...IN CATHOLIC SETTINGS! Give the guy a break before YOUR judgement abounds... Open your ears...AND your hearts to what he's saying...His message certainly IS Catholic! Who are WE to determine what determines "Catholic music"? [color=yellow]golden.silence[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden.silence Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 [quote name='ryanmeyersmusic' date='Aug 6 2004, 03:34 AM'] a buddy of mine likes to say "it doesn't have to have beads to be catholic" our faith encompasses our entire lives, and some artists feel called to express that. others write music primarily about the church. others write music primarily to be used in the context of the liturgy. i'd hardly say that he may as well be cussing and promoting vulgar themes. that's not fair at all. [/quote] So much wisdom in this post... [color=yellow]golden.silence[/color] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 [quote name='golden.silence' date='Aug 7 2004, 07:34 PM'] Righteous B is as Catholic as it gets... The dude is a Youth Minister @ a Catholic Parish in Texas... Just because his rhymes aren't focused on some aspect of Apologetics does not make him any "less" of a "Catholic rapper" than the rappers here @ Phatmass... Dude rhymes about our Lord and his faith...IN CATHOLIC SETTINGS! Give the guy a break before YOUR judgement abounds... Open your ears...AND your hearts to what he's saying...His message certainly IS Catholic! Who are WE to determine what determines "Catholic music"? [color=yellow]golden.silence[/color] [/quote] Umm, I did say I was sorry for being a bit too harsh. Indeed, you could be less of a Catholic rapper if you aren't focused on Catholic lyrics. Just like you can be less of a christian singer if your lyrics aren't so Christian. Not all Catholic rap is focused on apologetics, please look over my response to flip. You are judging him as a Catholic rapper. I say, he's a good secular rapper. "Jesus Walks" had more about being Christian, then say "Kielbasa Posse". Please tell me what my heart is supposed to get out of a song like "Kielbaba Posse". I think Catholic music would include, say, something that involves Catholic views, Tradition, morals, teaching, and the likes. ( Not neccessarily all, but at least one of those ). Please don't call me judgemental. I did say my first post was too harsh. I would not be at all wrong in saying he's a secular rapper that doesn't rap about lies. As far as him being a youth minister, God bless him everyday for it. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
golden.silence Posted August 8, 2004 Share Posted August 8, 2004 The difference here is simply this: Righteous B is a rapper who is Catholic - not necessarily a Catholic rapper... Would you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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