Who Will You Vote For And Why

[AnomilE]

I have a feeling I'm going to get run from the site eventually.

[toledo_jesus]

Chip away at abortion. Do we expect to grandly sweep it off the face of the planet? that never happens. Bush will chip away at it, whereas the other [b]electable[/b] candidate will not. From there, who knows? in 20 or 30 years perhaps America will have changed. Our kids will be growing up then, and we'll be in charge. hmmmmm
though ideally I would like to see abortion outlawed tomorrow, that's not realistic given the current trends in American politics and culture. Bush gets my vote.

[Quietfire]

Abortion being the most important issue for Catholics makes it obvious that no matter what a candidate promises, it doesnt hold a candle to it.

Since your candidate is almost unknown, (I myself havent heard of him here in New York) then it is doubtful that he will have an impact of any sort in this election.

Any vote against Bush is a vote for Kerry.

If only 20 people were voting and 9 voted for Kerry, and 3 voted for Peroutka..guess what?

Peroutka loses.
BUT so does Bush.

and we'll be singing "Hail to the Chief" to Kerry.

Why take the chance?


FOUR MORE YEARS!!!!


Peace.

[littleflower+JMJ]

i'm voting for Bush because not only has his [b]actions[/b] proved that his pro-life, but also because i [b]refuse[/b] to ignore and throw out the millions of babies more that will be murdered if Bush doesn't win.....

yes thats right.....if we dont, lives are going to pay...unborn, innocent babies...anyone who throws that out is making a [b]costly[/b] decision....

we are Called to [b]save[/b] those defenseless lifes, its our duty as a catholic...why? cuz its up to us to defend life, especially [b]now[/b]

JPII said in voting it is our obligation to make sure it is a vote to help end abortion......

i cannot vote for a no-face, no-name stranger......and help Kerry get even one inch closer to office to only distruct and disorder society as we know it

and anyone waiting for a perfect candidate, please dont hold your breathe....at least in this election there is not......

im going to use my vote in the most possible way to defend the unborn......

clearly looking at Bush's record i know i can accomplish that...

remember, abortion is a primary issue and is the [b]direct[/b] attack against LIFE itself......it should be our main goal and only goal.....why? again, cuz LIVES depend on it......

fr. frank pavone said no one can build a house first without a foundation.....

and he also said, God doens't need to rain down fire and wrath from heaven, all He has to do is let us live with the consequences we have chosen and let happen -_-


[i]are you willing to save unborn babies lifes?and more from being killed?[/i]
then use your vote to the best and assurance you are doing that......since thats what matters most

but a vote for a third party cannot guarantee anything me but a vote that wont make a dent in the elections......because when we find Kerry in office we will not have to look far to see how he got there......where will we be when kerry wins? i dont want to see that happen......

dont throw out bush cuz his not perfect, for he can very well be the man to help illegalize it and probably the only one to make it happen......

his actions and work has shown us is very well capable of doing such......

we are not voting for a perfect catholic (too bad theres isn't one ).......we're voting for who will uphold the Church's teachings in the best way possible that relates to our faith and in society today........and in reality has the best [b]chance[/b] of making it happen......

God bless....may we all not lose focus on this election and remember always the unborn babies, the real war going on today in the womb, which is now the most dangerous place to be,.........and how vital it is we end abortion.........

[Carrie]

voting Bush

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='AnomilE' date='Aug 6 2004, 12:29 PM']I have a feeling I'm going to get run from the site eventually.[/quote]
lol your not...just make sure you note that here at phatmass we strive to to be faithful to Our Holy Mother Church starting with Our Holy Father, the mageristum, bishops and priests.....

its quite simple.....for we know that we sit in the pews, and not the altar, for a reason

+JMJ+

God bless.....and pax christi...

[Ash Wednesday]

I voted "undecided."
I don't know much about Michael Peroutka, but I would like to vote for Joe Schriner. Pro-life Catholic family man. www.voteforjoe.com and give my support to someone that isn't Republican or Democrat. Ralph Nader is right about one thing -- we shouldn't have to put up with an anemic two party system.

I'm not sure how close the race will be in my state. I live in Washington and we always go Democrat, which really ticks me off, I feel like my rural vote is swallowed in the Electoral College by a bunch of liberals in Seattle. If this keeps happening I can at least vote for someone I really really believe is a good person for the job. If the race in my state is close, I will vote for Bush -- that is -- vote AGAINST Kerry. I don't see how any faithful Catholic could vote for Kerry with a clear, informed conscience.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='AnomilE' date='Aug 6 2004, 10:29 AM']I have a feeling I'm going to get run from the site eventually.[/quote]
I doubt that will happen, because so far you don't appear to be making [i]ad hominem[/i] attacks upon anyone. The important thing is to remain respectful to legitimate ecclesiastical authority, because clearly you don't have to agree with judgments of the prudential order made by a particular bishop, but you do have to give a religious submission of intellect and will to his authentic teaching (i.e., his doctrinal and moral teaching, and the disciplinary norms that he issues in accord with universal law), as long as what he says is in line with the Authentic Magisterium of the Pope and the entire Episcopal College. Also, if a particular bishop teaches something that is clearly opposed to the doctrine of the Magisterium you are free to respectfully point that out. As an example: suppose bishop "A" denied the resurrection of the body; if you then, in a respectful manner, pointed out the error involved in bishop "A's" position, you would not be criticizing the Magisterium, you would be criticizing the erroneous teaching of bishop "A". In this regard, it's important to bear in mind that the Magisterium's teaching is a diachronic reality, and thus one must not try to pit the Living Magisterium of today against the Magisterium of the past, because to do this fails to grasp the true nature of the Magisterium as a single living subject stretching throughout time.

God bless,
Todd

Edited August 6, 2004 by Apotheoun

[track2004]

I know that the race is really between Prs. Bush and Sen. Kerry, but for all of you who think a vote for Mr. Poroutka will not say anything, this assumption is false. Not in the most recent election, but when President Bush, Sr. was up for reelection many people voted third party to send both parties a message. A vote for Mr. Poroutka, if he got a significant percentage of the country (5% or more, I'd bet), would tell both the Dems and the Reps that what they are doing is not good. Many people in this election will be voting for Mr. Kerry soley because he is not Prs. Bush, not because they really agree with Mr. Kerry's ideas. In that instance a good third party would be a great way to say that they feel disenfranchised by both major parties.

[Seven77]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Aug 5 2004, 10:33 PM'] It's a shame when people do not know how to use the brain that God gave them.


The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. When there is no chance for Poroutka to win, it's a wasted vote.

ALL Catholics have a responsibility to vote.

A Catholic Call to Political Responsibility
[url="http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html"]http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/b...pStatement.html[/url]


Those who vote for anyone other than Bush might have their hearts in the right place, but their head is up.... let's just say "not in the right place".

45,000,000 babies. Once the next 45,000,000 are safe, then we can talk the lesser things.

God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]

listen to Ironmonk. Guys, we have a duty to vote for someone who ACTUALLY has a chance to win. the guy who will do the most of all the candidates to end abortion. prudence.

remember Buchannan in 2000?


and abortion outweighs every issue. like what Bl. Mother Teresa said: "the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself." once abortion is eventually eliminated everything else will follow.

Edited August 7, 2004 by Seven77

[Ash Wednesday]

I definitely understand and agree with what Ironmonk and others are saying in our obligation to vote for the candidate most likely to win that is MOST supportive of protecting the unborn.

However, one thing that -- to me -- complicates things a bit is the electoral college. If we had a popular vote, then, no problem.

But as I stated before, in my particular situation, one thing that really angers me is that I live in a state that always goes Democrat. So no matter who I vote for, it doesn't hold weight in the electoral college. I voted for Bush in 2000, but my vote did NOT go towards actually electing the man. If my vote is going to be swallowed up by Seattle voters and the electoral college, can't I at least give some sincere and righteous pro-life candidate a sense that SOMEONE out there supported what they were trying to do? I have nothing against Bush, and I would vote for him if it made a difference in MY state. If I had to choose now, I WOULD vote for Bush.

But if my vote is going to be swallowed by the liberal majority in Washington state as it always is, I would like to support an independant and not let people become so resigned to a two-party system that throws the abortion issue bone out there just to get people to nibble on and vote for them. I would like someone to know that their campaign was not a complete waste or completely ignored.

Just an honest question.

If I had my druthers I would pack up and move to Ohio or Florida. If I was in either of those states I would most gladly vote for Bush. At least there my vote would actually count.

[stagefairy]

[quote]He is the only pro-life candidate who has a realistic shot of election. Abortion decides my vote because Catholics, to be Catholic, MUST oppose abortion. There is no room for debate here. Of course, Bush supports abortion in cases of rape and incest, which is incompatible with Church teaching. However, he is FAR more pro-life than John F. Kerry, and the Magisterium teaches that in these situations, even though a candidate like Bush is not totally in line with the Church, Catholics may (or perhaps should) vote for him over his opponent, who is further and completely opposed to the Church (even if this opponent claims to be Catholic).
[/quote]

Same here (although lots of people have said this).

[Norseman82]

I'm voting for Bush because of the two major candidates, he is closest to Church teaching on life and sexual morality issues. I'm not saying he is perfect, but I cannot take the chance of voting Kerry in.

Now, if a third party candidate more closely mirrors Church teaching on life and sexual morality issues (or if Bush flip-flops), I will TAKE A CLOSER LOOK at them IF in Illinois Bush is so far behind that my vote won't matter AND they are on the ballot in Illinois AND I can write them in. But that is a big IF at this point, as the election is almost 3 months away.

[Socrates]

I'm voting Bush because I believe Kerry needs to be kept out of the whitehouse. Bush is not perfect, and I believe he has made some mistakes on economic and foreign policy matters, but he will be better than Kerry on the so-called "social issues" -abortion, homosexuality etc. A Kerry presidency will only further entrech the Culture of Death in the American political establishment, and his positions are clearly and blatantly opposed to Catholic moral teaching. I beleive no Catholic can vote for Kerry in good conscience.

While I respect those who choose to vote for pro-life "alternative" candidates, I believe that in practical terms, since such candidates stand no chance of being elected to office, voting for them will only help Kerry. And, like it or not, voting and politics is a practical matter, not a theoretical exercise.

[Aloysius]

everyone agrees that Kerry can absolutely NOT be given a chance to win.

Kerry and Bush are the only 2 with a possibility of winning.

So if I could vote, I'd vote Bush. He will act to protect the unborn in most cases, that's all we can hope for now. I wish we could find someone who would act to protect the unborn in ALL cases, but it seems impossible for this election. Perhaps we should START a campaign right after this election, we need 4 years of campaigning to have a shot. If you wanna take down the mainstream parties, you're gonna need more time campaigning to convince everyone not to follow the normal voting routine. A massive effort will be needed, a massive effort of constant work to put our party in the news constantly over the course of four years.

But with the election so close, it is not possible to get a different candidate in this time around.