Who Will You Vote For And Why

[qfnol31]

[quote name='M.SIGGA' date='Aug 6 2004, 02:25 AM'] Bush prays about everything he says publicly, so I'm sure he means it lol. [/quote]
I'm starting to think that it's more he's uneducated on these matters. In the case of the mother's life being in danger, it's not really an abortion. (Well, it's most likely not).

I think he's trying not to counter everything at once. He even admits to contradicting himself at one point. I think he's playing politics so he can get his foot in the door...

[M.SIGGA]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Aug 6 2004, 02:32 AM'] Again, it seems he is against it, and he can't do anything about the embryos that are already dead.  In fact, it seems to make sense that he allow it on all embryos gone before his Presidency, but that's just me.  I may not agree with it, but I can't see too much wrong with it.  I could probably come up with an argument or two, but why would you say it's wrong?  I know that embryonic stem cell research is wrong because it promotes the abortions of babies.
[/quote]
No it [b]is[/b] the killing of human life and using the remains in an undignified manner. The Church said these should not have been experimented on despite personal opinion, but disposed of in some sort of dignified manner and because this was disobeyed, this is why it is wrong. Utmost respect for human life and dignity would have compelled the president to dispose of these embryos like many of the rest instead of using these select few lines as a political tool temporarily appeasing liberal hollywood lobbyists and the media. I don't buy it's right because he prayed over it.

[quote]Now, what he and I are for is the research of animal and adult stem cells. He mentions that in there.[/quote] This is fine but it has nothing to do with the prolife debate.

Edited August 6, 2004 by M.SIGGA

[qfnol31]

My personal opinion is that I don't agree with it, but can see why he did it.

Edited: Seeing who told him no though, I question if he has some leeway.

Further: It seems that one of the arguments is similar to saying that a person who is murdered can't donate organs.

Again, I'm not condoning this, but one of the arguments I ran into seemed that way.

Edited August 6, 2004 by qfnol31

[Apotheoun]

I have voted for the Constitution Party before, although in California it's called the [url="http://www.aipca.org/index.shtml"]American Independent Party[/url]. The Constitution/AIP party is prolife, and I agree with many other positions within their Party Platform, but I won't make up my mind on who to vote for until closer to the election. The only thing that I have decided is that I will not, in fact, I cannot, vote for John Kerry, because of his positions on various moral issues.

Peroutka sounds good, but he has one mark against him, he's a Calvinist. Sorry, I just couldn't resist that little playful jab at the expense of our favorite Phatmass Calvinist, ICTHUS.



God bless,
Todd

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Aug 6 2004, 03:39 AM'] In the case of the mother's life being in danger, it's not really an abortion. (Well, it's most likely not).

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Can you clarify this statement please?

[MorphRC]

GO NADER GO

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 6 2004, 08:02 AM'] GO NADER GO [/quote]
Please tell me you are joking.

[MorphRC]

No. Im Being Serious. Very Serious. So Serious That Even Though I Dont Live In The US, I Am Going To Vote For Nader.





btw wb from the ban

[St. Catherine]

I will vote for George Bush. (At least most likely.) I will consider voting for Michael A. Peroutka because in Utah George Bush will win. As for those states where the vote could go either way I would definitely vote for Bush, just to eliminate the risk of Kerry winning the state.

As for those who say that voting for a third party candidate is a wasted vote; the only wasted vote is the one that is not cast. (Unless it is for Kerry )

[AnomilE]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Aug 5 2004, 10:33 PM'] It's a shame when people do not know how to use the brain that God gave them.


The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. When there is no chance for Poroutka to win, it's a wasted vote.

ALL Catholics have a responsibility to vote.

A Catholic Call to Political Responsibility
[url="http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html"]http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/b...pStatement.html[/url]


Those who vote for anyone other than Bush might have their hearts in the right place, but their head is up.... let's just say "not in the right place".

45,000,000 babies. Once the next 45,000,000 are safe, then we can talk the lesser things.

God Bless,
ironmonk [/quote]
You know what- I'm offended by you dude.

Here are some faithful catholics who are displeased with a republican who cannot produce a truly pro-life platform and all you can do is run us down.

[color=red][Edited by dUSt: Criticism of the magisterium][/color]

I for one will not roll over and vote for a man who does not completely support where my Church stands- period. And if you call that braindead- then so sad for you my friend.

AnomilE

[AnomilE]

[quote name='White Knight' date='Aug 6 2004, 02:35 AM'] Considering this is my first General Election to vote in, I am absolutely postive that I will cast my vote for George W. Bush, Why? Because I believe he needs more time to fix this huge problem were in and he hasn't had enough time to acually do it, and I believe he can accomplish most of this huge problems sutiations within another 4 years.


Also, George W. Bush is the most pro-life canadinate of the primary three. Hes Also the one who can run this country better with its Economy and Military than any other one of the people on the list.


Most of all I believe hes a Godly President, stands up for what he knows to be true and for what he believes in, Hes got a "Clearer" Vision for the good old U.S.A. unlike the others. Also He expresses his Faith the most out of any other president we've had since Reagan and even pior to Reagan.

GWB All the Way. [/quote]
Why do you, like so many other Catholics, insist on playing politics before objective morality?

We are not to look at who the "three main candidates" are. We are to look at who will best promote the sanctity of life and there are much better peopel out there to vote for than Bush.

AnomilE

[CatholicAndFanatical]

[quote]
Why do you, like so many other Catholics, insist on playing politics before objective morality?
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because logically there is only two candidates to choose from.

Its not our fault and we cannot change it.

Maybe if your guy would start now and go on the road and be more public he might be able to run in 2008.

But right now, against our wills, there are only two choices. Dont like it? Move to Canada.

One Candidate cannot even be faithful to God and his faith, but is also pro-death. Wants to legalize homosexual marriages, bring back stem cell research and would probably pull our troops out prematurly overseas.

Another Candidate, made partial-birth abortion illegal, is against gay marriage, and put a limit on stem cell research.

Thats more than Kerry would ever do. Thats more than any president HAS done.

So whats next after this election??

Well the President gets to elect judges to the Supreme Court. Why is this important? Because Bush will put pro-life judges in there and therefore have the opportunity to make abortion illegal and reverse Roe vs. Wade.

If kerry gets in there, he will re-elect pro-death judges and nothing will be overturned. Doesnt that mean anything to you??


[quote]
We are to look at who will best promote the sanctity of life and there are much better peopel out there to vote for than Bush.
[/quote]

Sure there are better people out there to vote for..but they are not on the ticket in every state. The chances of them getting elected are zilch. Why arent they on TV, or over the road trying to get elected??

I've never heard of your guy nor seen him speak..at least not here in Indiana, never heard of him on FoxNews at all.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Aug 6 2004, 06:39 AM'] Can you clarify this statement please? [/quote]
I'm talking about where the fetus gets trapped in the fallopian tube. There is an operation that can save the mother's life while not aborting the baby, but the baby still dies in the end. It's a sad procedure, but very much pro-life because the baby isn't killed.

[ironmonk]

According to our Holy Father, we need to vote for an end to abortion firstly.

The only way abortion has a chance of being ended is if we vote for George Bush.

If anyone wants to vote against Bush, and then try to claim it's because of the Church - they've got a lot to learn about the Church.


I stand by my previous post.


-ironmonk

[AnomilE]

dUSt,

I'm not sure why you edited my post on the basis of "criticism of the Magisterium."

My comments were directed toward Bishops who have actually been reprimanded publically by Rome and other Bishops. That is not an attack on the Magisterium in any way. Maybe posts should be co-moderated to avoid instances like this.

AnomilE