Who Will You Vote For And Why

[qfnol31]

[quote name='M.SIGGA' date='Aug 6 2004, 12:56 AM'] Wonderful. He is better than MekongDelta Kerry but he's not 100% prolife and against all abortions and stem cell research - and this is first and the most important above all other choices, platforms, opinions, politics, etc... absolutly no compromise, right? [/quote]
How is he not 100% pro-life? He can't do anything about stem-cell research beyond what he's already done.

[M.SIGGA]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Aug 6 2004, 12:58 AM'] He can't do anything about stem-cell research beyond what he's already done. [/quote]
he could have totally rejected all govt. funded research of old embryos and carried on further about abuses at fertility/in-vitro fertilitation clinics that recieve government funding.

[qfnol31]

Are you sure since he wasn't instated before 2001, the year from whence he stopped all funding.

[Hananiah]

Peroutka 2004. Catholicism is about absolutes, not pragmatism.

[qfnol31]

We're absolutely against abortion and other things Kerry is for.

[Hananiah]

Right, but Bush is only partially against them, whereas Peroutka is, like us, against them absolutely.

[qfnol31]

How do you mean that he's partially against them?

[M.SIGGA]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Aug 6 2004, 01:23 AM'] Are you sure since he wasn't instated before 2001, the year from whence he stopped all funding. [/quote]
A ban was instituted on the govt funding the production of embryos for the purpose of soley creating embryonic stem cells without intension of using them for pregnancy, which was never removed since the 80's because the embryo must be destroyed to get the cells and this created a moral dilema. Bush allowed in 2001 for government funds to be used for researching those embryonic stem cells privately produced for "therapeutic" properties only, which gets around the law and somewhat eases the liberal lobyists calling for all out research funding by the government. There is still controversy over research universities recieving some funds as well as some hospitals that harbor fertility research. This is why he is considered a moderate; right-extremists Cheney or Ashcroft on the other hand might have actually torn up the legislation.

Edited August 6, 2004 by M.SIGGA

[qfnol31]

[url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio377.html"]LifeNews.com[/url]

This doesn't sound like him supporting it.

[Hananiah]

Bush believes that homosexuals should have civil unions, and that abortion should be allowed in cases of rape, etc.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='Hananiah' date='Aug 6 2004, 02:04 AM'] Bush believes that homosexuals should have civil unions, and that abortion should be allowed in cases of rape, etc. [/quote]
You sure?

[url="http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/07/30/bush.gay.marriage/"]CNN.com[/url]

[url="http://www.issues2000.org/George_W__Bush_Abortion.htm"]issues2000.org[/url]

[quote]Bush opposes abortion except in cases of rape, incest or to save the mother’s life. He’ll try to seem non-threatening, respecting others’ views without backing off his long-held “pro-life” position. He previously had said he would not demand that his Supreme Court nominees be anti-abortion. It’s even conceivable he’ll choose a running mate who supports abortion rights, Bush said. “I’m going to talk about the culture of life,” he continued. “I’ve set the goal that every child born and unborn ought to be protected. But I recognize [that many] people don’t necessarily agree with the goal. People appreciate somebody who sets a tone, a tone that values life, but recognizes that people disagree.“ He pointed out that those gun-toting killers at Columbine High School did not value life; they ”devalued“ it.
Source: George Skelton, Los Angeles Times Jun 5, 2000[/quote]

I think his abortion in rape cases, etc. stance is just politics, and I don't believe he really wants those to take place either.

[gopherball33]

I'm 17, so I'm one year too young to vote (grr, missed it by 1 year :angry: ), but if I were a year older I would vote for George bush because John Kerry is pro-choicec. I really do not want another pro-choice president.

[M.SIGGA]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Aug 6 2004, 01:59 AM'][url="http://www.lifenews.com/bio377.html"]LifeNews.com[/url]

This doesn't sound like him supporting it.[/quote]
next time read his transcript: [url="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/onpolitics/transcripts/bushtext_080901.htm"]bush & stem cells[/url]

he restricted govt funding to 60 lines of embryonic stem cells at privately funded fertitlity plants but I believe it reached as many as 80 lines. Instead of immediate destruction that should have occurred these cells were experimented on and pulled apart for "therapeutic" purposes and we all paid for it.

[quote]I think his abortion in rape cases, etc. stance is just politics, and I don't believe he really wants those to take place either.[/quote]
Bush prays about everything he says publicly, so I'm sure he means it lol.

[qfnol31]

[quote]Embryonic stem cell research is at the leading edge of a series of moral hazards. The initial stem cell researcher was at first reluctant to begin his research, fearing it might be used for human cloning. Scientists have already cloned a sheep. Researchers are telling us the next step could be to clone human beings to create individual designer stem cells, essentially to grow another you, to be available in case you need another heart or lung or liver.

I strongly oppose human cloning, as do most Americans. We recoil at the idea of growing human beings for spare body parts or creating life for our convenience.

And while we must devote enormous energy to conquering disease, it is equally important that we pay attention to the moral concerns raised by the new frontier of human embryo stem cell research. Even the most noble ends do not justify any means. [/quote]

[quote]As a result of private research, more than 60 genetically diverse stem cell lines already exist. They were created from embryos that have already been destroyed, and they have the ability to regenerate themselves indefinitely, creating ongoing opportunities for research.

I have concluded that we should allow federal funds to be used for research on these existing stem cell lines, where the life-and-death decision has already been made.[/quote]

Again, it seems he is against it, and he can't do anything about the embryos that are already dead. In fact, it seems to make sense that he allow it on all embryos gone before his Presidency, but that's just me. I may not agree with it, but I can't see too much wrong with it. I could probably come up with an argument or two, but why would you say it's wrong? I know that embryonic stem cell research is wrong because it promotes the abortions of babies.

Now, what he and I are for is the research of animal and adult stem cells. He mentions that in there.

[White Knight]

Considering this is my first General Election to vote in, I am absolutely postive that I will cast my vote for George W. Bush, Why? Because I believe he needs more time to fix this huge problem were in and he hasn't had enough time to acually do it, and I believe he can accomplish most of this huge problems sutiations within another 4 years.


Also, George W. Bush is the most pro-life canadinate of the primary three. Hes Also the one who can run this country better with its Economy and Military than any other one of the people on the list.


Most of all I believe hes a Godly President, stands up for what he knows to be true and for what he believes in, Hes got a "Clearer" Vision for the good old U.S.A. unlike the others. Also He expresses his Faith the most out of any other president we've had since Reagan and even pior to Reagan.

GWB All the Way.