INRIWarrior3 Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 It is very simple to discern when works should take precidence over faith. Think of the Good Samaritan. Who passes up the beaten man? A Jewish priest, a Sadduccee. He was a beliver but did not act. The Samritan is the one that performed the good deed and was praised by the Lord. If you were one your way to Mass or to your church's service and someone is hit by a car, do you go to Mass or do you help the person? Its clear to see the greatest need is that of the accident victim. Faith and works is surely hard to discern in any given situation but with meditation on the will of the Lord and the movement of the Holy Spirit in your life one can learly see as one always can with the Lord's help. Just some more food for thought: sometimes faith goes hand in hand with good works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azriel Posted September 11, 2003 Share Posted September 11, 2003 Amen. Reading this thread has been bugging me. Because, as you point out Warrior, faith goes hand and hand with good works. The most amesome example of this is Mother Teresa. Do you for once think that this woman who devoted herself to "works" did not do so because of her complete devotion and faith to Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 skuba, If you do not eat the Flesh and drink the Blood of Christ... You have NO life in you. You do not believe in the real pressense... You're solo buddy. Read John 6... slowly and meditate on it. Then read this again... 1 Corin. 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also handed on to you, that the Lord Jesus, on the night he was handed over, took bread, 24 and, after he had given thanks, broke it and said, "This is my body that is for you. Do this in remembrance of me." 25 In the same way also the cup, after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me." 26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the death of the Lord until he comes. 27 Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. 12 28 A person should examine himself, 13and so eat the bread and drink the cup. 29 For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself. If it were just bread, then the unworthy person would not be eating and drinking judgment on himself. God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuba steve Posted September 12, 2003 Author Share Posted September 12, 2003 I think the Holy Spirit is doing a lousy job then. Mat 12:32 Anyone who says something against the Son of Man can be forgiven; but whoever says something against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven---now or ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Steve, You know it was an obviously redundant statement becuase she contradicted it with the rest of her post. She was drawing a contrast by then pointing out that it seems the Holy Spirit is telling different things and contradicting itself. Since CMom, you, and I know that it isn't likely, then the real conclusion is that the Holy Spirit isn't doing a bad job, but we are misidentifying what the Holy Spirit is really doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 12, 2003 Share Posted September 12, 2003 Mat 12:32Â Anyone who says something against the Son of Man can be forgiven; but whoever says something against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven---now or ever. Either the Spirit is right or man is right. You either have one Church founded by Jesus Christ and infallibly protected by the Holy Spirit, or you have many little groups started by many differnet people long after Jesus died. Take your pick. I vote for the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foundsheep Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 James says, "Faith without works is dead." Christ also says, "Whatever you do to the least of my brethren, that you do unto me." Christ todl the rich young man who asked him what must be done to inherit eternal life to, "Keep the commandments." Also, I don't have time to type this all out, but read Mathew 25: 31-46. God Bless. Faith within itself is a work. It takes both will and intellect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuba steve Posted September 13, 2003 Author Share Posted September 13, 2003 Either the Spirit is right or man is right. You either have one Church founded by Jesus Christ and infallibly protected by the Holy Spirit, or you have many little groups started by many differnet people long after Jesus died. Take your pick. I vote for the Holy Spirit. So the spirit that lives in me and speaks to and through me all the time isn't the holy spirit??? MAybe i have a demon???? Or maybe you are speaking against the Holy Spirit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted September 13, 2003 Share Posted September 13, 2003 Do you think the Holy Spirit is guiding hundreds of different Churchs to believe different things? Do you believe the Holy Spirit can contradict intself? Its s simple logical question. Either the Holy Spirit is right or all therdifferent Churches with contradicting truths are right. Which is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuba steve Posted September 14, 2003 Author Share Posted September 14, 2003 or maybe you are just very niave concerning the state of the church in the world...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted September 14, 2003 Share Posted September 14, 2003 Steve, Why can't, or why won't you answer CMom's direct question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skuba steve Posted September 15, 2003 Author Share Posted September 15, 2003 the holy spirit is right.... happy? You can tell a church is filled with the Holy spirit if it displays all of the fruits of the spirit.... off the top of my head, they are: Love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, humilty and self control. i think faithfulness too.... My church is filled with the spirit. My church has the favour of God upon it. But don't just outright judge all the denominations because they have a different name.... there are some whacked ones, but there are also some whack catholic spinoffs too. Most of the pentacostal churches are exactly the same.... they don't disagree on everything. When we put on a youth event in our area... we did a conference 2 days ago actually... and there was 11 churches and probably about 5 different denominations represented.... there is unity. Kinda like, every person in the world isn't called steve.... doesn't mean that they are bad people, they just have a different name... Ya know, if you type in phatmass in msn... you get this: "A Catholic website that focuses on unity among all religions" hmmmmm....... ciao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted September 22, 2003 Share Posted September 22, 2003 "A Catholic website that focuses on unity among all religions" I think that's the perfect description of what phatmass is all about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now