Identifying The One True God

[carrdero]

God Conquers writes: It would be impossible to search for and find God. We mere humans can not hope to connect, by any meditation, prayer or sacrifice, with an all-powerful, all knowing, everpresent, infinite being. This is IMPOSSIBLE. We are flesh and He is spirit.

I would think that humans are the perfect conduit to connect to GOD (our bodies even resemble antennas) and our physical forms are designed to express all of the finest qualities of GOD (a simple act of GODLY consideration like picking up a dropped item off the floor for someone or opening a door to a building for another fellow human BEing) to expressing deeper qualities like LOVE and TRUST or by just BEing there for someone. No one should ever underestimate the physical potential of our BEing and what we are capable of doing.

Believe it or not GOD is talking back. ALL(WAYS) has, ALL(WAYS) will. I cannot imagine a Creator abandoning or ignoring a creation as important as a human BEing. I cannot imagine a Creator saying to me:

“What!?!? What do you want now!?!? Why are you bothering me with this?!?! Wasn’t this very same problem covered in that book I sent you?!?! What did I have you humans write it for, if you are not going to read it?!?!?!. Did you even bother to ask Fr./ Rev./ Deacon/ brother Robert or Mother/sister/ Rev. Sally? Maybe they know!!”

GOD understands what it is like for a human trying to BE. GOD understands that we will ALL have many personal questions that need to be addressed with satisfying conclusions. GOD understands that there will BE many times humans will want more from a realtionship with GOD then what is offered on earth. GOD understands the desire to connect. GOD understands ALL.

It is absolutely are decision if we desire to listen. Some people do not listen. Sometimes people let their own ego or their own pride or other distractions stop them from hearing GOD. Some people are so concerned about where they are going they forget to listen for where they are at.

Though Prayer and meditation are fine ways to include and connect GOD into your life some people truly miss the (obvious) physical signs that GOD leaves for us. I see this fact proven over and over to me everyday. As a toll collector it is my job to assist drivers who are lost and are looking for directions and I come across many lost souls in a matter of hours. Our flesh (read:physical senses), as well as our spirit, give us numerous opportunities to recognize and connect to GOD. It is our responsibility to discover which methods work best for us.

Edited August 5, 2004 by carrdero

[MichaelFilo]

Since the obvious misunderstandings in carrdero's post, and the length of musume's I'll address each one, in different posts.

[quote]If GOD was perfect, why did he not make us ALL perfect? Perfect=without defect; free from any flaw, faultless: completely skilled; expert. Since GOD is perfect, could he not have made us ALL entities in perfection? Just a question or should I start another trend for this?  [/quote]

This is a whole other thread. 2 things to keep in mind, we can never expect to understand God beyond what He shows us, and second, at times it is best to accept things as they are.

God is above perfect, because he doesn't meet the bare requirements, but is the ultimate completeness of perfect. I could consider Adam and Eve perfect, as they were without flaw. Rebellion against God was indeed a choice, not a flaw. So, I guess I can consider humans at some point perfect, in the sense of the defenition you gave. God then, did make humans perfect, we chose to leave His love for imperfection.

[quote]You mean to say that we are all sinners and that we are to be punished for all our sins? Ok..now I am really lost. Is it not that we are free of sin when we are baptised or is it that we are free of sin when we are born? I got 2 answers on the free of sin and they are both from the same faith. Help me out here with this question please.  [/quote]

Again, another thread entirely. We are baptised to come into communion with God and His Church. We have our sins washed away in baptism, we are not free of sin. We are all born with original sin.

[quote]Pius men that GOD sent to you? Please explain. I am not understanding this statement.  [/quote]

The apostles, prophets, those who carry The Faith. (Also note, saints, popes, and pius followers of the faith).

[quote]How is it that ALL other GODs are false created? Just a question  [/quote]

He means they are either worshipped statues, or made up gods in peoples imaginations. There are only 3 faiths that claim revelation from God. Christianty, Judiasm, and Islam. All other gods are made up ones, or are just statues and stuff.

[quote]And you have seen His Son Jesus Christ through....? Or was this revealed in the Bible and the teachings of the church? Just a question  [/quote]

Jesus is the Logos(Word) made flesh. God revealed to the Jews that a savior was comming, he also revealed to them who He was, what His intentions were, what He wanted. Jesus was the Savior that Jews were promised by God. God took human form, and fulfilled His prophecies that He spoke through the prophets. Jesus is God. Therefore, that is how all was revealed to us about our faith. Nothing after Jesus's going to heaven.

There was one thing that you said that made no sense to me. If you can clarify, I'd appreciate it.

[quote]Good=That does what is right; well-behaved; reliable, dependable; real, genuine:
let me just repond to my own quote. Reliable, dependable, real, genuine. etc...etc. Reliable=Worthy of trust that can be depended on. (still questioning this)
Dependable=that can be depended on; trustworthy (had questions that were never anwered. Still waiting...G)
genuine=actually seems or is claimed to be; real; true. (still questioning this)
So on and so forth.[/quote]

I'll answer once I get it. Musume if you'd like an overview of what Jesus's role in our salvation was, you can message me, or start a thread, and I'm sure I and anyone who possibly knows better than I will help you. It seems you have alot of questions. This is the best way of going about finding God, as he loves those who seek Him out, and this seeking out comes from Him, so you are carrying out His will, which is awesomeness to the extreme.

God bless,

Mikey

[MichaelFilo]

I will try to be charitable here, although I share Jeff's view that you've left all intellectual thinking and it isn't easy to respond to anything you say. However, I will try as long as you post. Carderro I'd like to know, why you have this awkward capitalization, just wondering.

[quote]I would think that humans are the perfect conduit to connect to GOD (our bodies even resemble antennas) and our physical forms are designed to express all of the finest qualities of GOD (a simple act of GODLY consideration like picking up a dropped item off the floor for someone or opening a door to a building for another fellow human BEing) to expressing deeper qualities like LOVE and TRUST or by just BEing there for someone. No one should ever underestimate the physical potential of our BEing and what we are capable of doing.[/quote]

Conduit = 3. A means by which something is transmitted. Now, I am not clear what you mean by connecting to God. I agree through prayer we are elvated up to God and we can talk to Him, if that is what you mean. However our human bodies don't just talk to God. He knows what is in our hearts and minds, I agree, but our bodies are no form of conversation with God ( the fact that we are shaped like antennas deserves no refute, this is logically silly. We are flesh, He is spirit. )
Our physical forms are in the image of God, so I semi-agree with you. Our physical form though, is not what shows the greatest qualities of God (Love, justice). The body only carry's out acts of these things. The fact you put so much value on a body scares me. There is a limitation of what we can do in these bodies. It is when they are raised up and glorified and our spirits are put back in them, that then we can do great things.

[quote]Believe it or not GOD is talking back. ALL(WAYS) has, ALL(WAYS) will. I cannot imagine a Creator abandoning or ignoring a creation as important as a human BEing. I cannot imagine a Creator saying to me:

“What!?!? What do you want now!?!? Why are you bothering me with this?!?! Wasn’t this very same problem covered in that book I sent you?!?! What did I have you humans write it for, if you are not going to read it?!?!?!. Did you even bother to ask Fr./ Rev./ Deacon/ brother Robert or Mother/sister/ Rev. Sally? Maybe they know!!” [/quote]

This one, all Catholics can refute. Personal revelation and interpretation will NEVER make a religion. God did give us the bible. God also gave us His Church so He can lead it, and we can know where to go by what it teaches us. If God was just a personal God, and each man came up with a different God, then he would not be God at all, he would be a lie. To suggest through private revelation and discussion with God, we can know all we need to know about God, you are wrong. All those who ask the True God, will be lead to His Church ( or wherever else He wills them to learn about what he wants of them, but eventually that also reads to the Church ). This is true because all His truth are collected in His Church.

[quote]GOD understands what it is like for a human trying to BE. GOD understands that we will ALL have many personal questions that need to be addressed with satisfying conclusions. GOD understands that there will BE many times humans will want more from a realtionship with GOD then what is offered on earth. GOD understands the desire to connect. GOD understands ALL.
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I agree with all this but the 3rd and 2nd to last lines. Is your relationship with God not satasfying? Does God not walk with you? While it is true I cannot wait until the day when God raises the dead and we all become a part of the new Jerusalem, I am happy with what I have with God now, and strive to fulfill God's will. Again you mention connecting, please clarify.

[quote]  It is absolutely are decision if we desire to listen. Some people do not listen. Sometimes people let their own ego or their own pride or other distractions stop them from hearing GOD. Some people are so concerned about where they are going they forget to listen for where they are at.
[/quote]

Agreed. For me and for the 2000 year old Church. Anyone can reject God, and not care for Him.

[quote] Though Prayer and meditation are fine ways to include and connect GOD into your life some people truly miss the (obvious) physical signs that GOD leaves for us. I see this fact proven over and over to me everyday. As a toll collector it is my job to assist drivers who are lost and are looking for directions and I come across many lost souls in a matter of hours. Our flesh (read:physical senses), as well as our spirit, give us numerous opportunities to recognize and connect to GOD. It is our responsibility to discover which methods work best for us.[/quote]

Again I'm not clear on what you mean connect. I can be in cummunion with God. I cannot connect (in the sense I'm getting it) with God through prayer. The only connection available to us humans is the Eucharist.

You said it is our responsibility to discover which methods work best for us, again, clarify connect please. Shouldn't we do what method He favors most, not what we favor most?

God bless,

Mikey

[MichaelFilo]

Sorry for the long posts. >.< I'm in the mood.

God bless,

Mikey

P.S. Java apps aren't working my Internet explorers, anyone who knows how I can fix this? Thanks.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I would start with restarting the computer. If that doesn't work, come back.

[MichaelFilo]

It's a bit more than a restart will do. Anyways I did that, no go. Can't click on the smilies!! argh >.<

Ty though.

No need to discuss it here to far. Maybe until musume or carrdero come back..

God bless,

Mikey

[Tora-Musume]

[quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Aug 5 2004, 07:21 PM']


[/quote]
[quote]MichaelFilo Posted on Aug 5 2004, 07:21 PM 
Again, another thread entirely. We are baptised to come into communion with God and His Church. We have our sins washed away in baptism, we are not free of sin. We are all born with original sin.
[/quote]

I am new at this so I don't really know where to post. But from what my friends daughter was thought, she was thought that 1. we are born without sin 2. we are born with sin until we are baptized. My friends daughter was all confused with this teaching.

[quote]God is above perfect, because he doesn't meet the bare requirements, but is the ultimate completeness of perfect. I could consider Adam and Eve perfect, as they were without flaw. Rebellion against God was indeed a choice, not a flaw. So, I guess I can consider humans at some point perfect, in the sense of the defenition you gave. God then, did make humans perfect, we chose to leave His love for imperfection.[/quote]

But don't you think that if GOD was perfect and he made us all, that we would be perfect like GOD? with no flaws or with no choise of leaving GOD's love for imperfecftion?

[quote]Jesus was the Savior that Jews were promised by God.[/quote]

Does this mean that Jesus was jewish? Is this for another thread?

Edited August 6, 2004 by Tora-Musume

[nikkan_hanil]

[quote name='Tora-Musume' date='Aug 6 2004, 01:20 AM'] Does this mean that Jesus was jewish? Is this for another thread?


[/quote]
Yup.

[Aloysius]

Jesus fulfilled Judaism. We believe that Christianity (Catholocism) is the FULFILLMENT of Judaism. Thus Jesus could kinda be considered Christian (though that's kindof redundant, cause Christian means you follow Jesus Christ and Jesus would of course follow Himself ), He knew and comprehended all the mysteries of Christianity, because that's what He came to reveal to the Jews. The Jews just missed it, it went right over their heads cause they were expecting a political leader to be the Messiah.

[MichaelFilo]

It's late, so forgive whatever spelling errors and grammatical ones I may type up.

[quote]I am new at this so I don't really know where to post. But from what my friends daughter was thought, she was thought that 1. we are born without sin 2. we are born with sin until we are baptized. My friends daughter was all confused with this teaching. [/quote]

We are born with sin, original sin. When we are baptized that and all our other sins up to that point are removed. That is basically where the minsunderstanding is.

[quote]But don't you think that if GOD was perfect and he made us all, that we would be perfect like GOD? with no flaws or with no choise of leaving GOD's love for imperfecftion?[/quote]

Since I'm in no mental state to beat the path of great lengths of thinking and reasoning, I'll keep it short, and see if I can't satisfy your need to find an answer to this question.

First of all, I believe God is perfect. In your defenition of perfection, I did say humans started out perfect. God's perfection is more than just being merely flawless, he is perfect in that He is full of all that is good and none that is bad.

Being perfect like God is a whole other story. God has free will, which is part of His perfection, since He is the Alpha and the Omega, the great I AM, he has no superiors. If you took away our free will, and turned us into mindless drones, then we aren't perfect in the sense that God is perfect. If however you do give us free will, a prerequist to perfection like God, we have the choice of falling from God. So, without free will we cannot be perfect. With free will we can fall away, and Adam and Eve chose that route.

Another way to look at it is, God made us in the hopes that we would love Him. Without free will, we cannot love Him, as love is free. So, free will was required to love him and serve him, willingly. A good example of a creature that is created without free will is any animal you see. They obey God's commands for that species. They obey the natural laws of mating set by God. They have no choice. They live by their very instintcs, which is what God wills them to do. They cannot love God, because they have no free will, they can only obey him.

None of this is Catholic theology, it's just what makes sense to me. We don't know why God created us. We also have no clue why God does some stuff, and doesn't do others. This makes sense to me, and I find it spotless as far as being in line with whatever the Church teaches about this stuff. I'm sure however, Todd, or Jeff when he gets back ( God willing ) safely, will be more than happy to point out how wrong I am.

'till then it's solid gold.

As far as Jesus being a Jew, he got circumcised, in the manner and time that Jewish faith and custom holds. Jesus grew up adhereing to Jewish laws. Christianity is built on the foundation of Judaism. The new testament means absolutly nothing and would consist of a bunch of rambaling, promises, and moral stories if it was not for the Jewish faith and Old Testament that we have thanks to Judiasm. So yeah, Jesus was a Jew, and our faith would make no sense without theirs.

God bless,

Anything else on your mind, I'll try to respond.

Mikey

Edited August 6, 2004 by MichaelFilo

[MorphRC]

[quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 5 2004, 11:16 PM'] carrdero

Ive read alot of archaeological books and articles about Allah, and archaeologically it is impossible for Muslims to worship the same God. I mean put it this way. Im an egyptian pharaoh and out of all the egyptian gods i chose Anubis to be the one, supreme deity, and label him God, Creator, etc.

Does that mean I worship the same God? [/quote]
An Answer From Anyone Would Be Cool. Please. Todah

[Aloysius]

the archaelogical evidence simply shows that there was some ancient pagan arab God that was called "Allah". Uh oh, Allah in arabic means "god". Do you know the history of the english word "god"? it's got pagan origins, my friend . just like the word "allah". But Muslims use it to refer to the God of Abraham. So when they adress "Allah" they are adressing the God of Abraham, the Creator of the Universe. They have some pretty wacked out views of Him, like that He isn't a Trinity and He isn't personal and loving, but they still address HIM.

[MorphRC]

God [Elohim] originates from El, or Elom.

Still that dont answer my situation bro.

[Aloysius]

are you telling me that the english word "god" originates from "Elohim"? if not, then the conversion of the English Speaking world isn't real, right? we're just worshiping a pagan god we retained through our conversion, right?

your scenario: no, because you are retaining "Anubis" and just trying to relable him to fit our God.

[MichaelFilo]

However, they believe in the hebrew scriptures to an extent. If their word for God happened to be Allah, which was the name of some pagan diety, they really cannot be held as those who don't believe in our God, they simply deny some of His mysteries, much like those who followed Arianism.

Example, you are a soccor player, and I deny you play soccer, when I refer to you, am I actually refering to someone else? Not at all, I just am not correct about you.

Muslims believe in the God of Moses and Abraham. They even believe in Jesus as a prophet, the virgin birth, and Jesus's miracle working.

While they do believe in the same God, they have made some pretty bad mistakes about him, being misled by Mohammed and his claimed exchange with the angel Gabriel.

However, just because they don't believe in a Triune God (The Jews wouldn't believe it if you told them), they still worship the same God. The Jews believed in a God of laws, is it still not the same God, even if they misunderstood Him?

Anyways, I'm no fan of Islam, but it's better to be informed then to be misled.

God bless,

Mikey