carrdero Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 (edited) This was such a big hit on another thread that it would be a shame not to hear viewpoints from other Phatmass messengers. Edited August 4, 2004 by carrdero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicCrusader Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Well we know allah is not God and moslems do not worship God because they do not believe in the Trinity, Who is God.. all other gods are false created gods. (I don't know if that is what you meant by your question) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 (edited) We do not have to identify Him, He has already revealed Himself to us through His Son Jesus Christ. EHEYEH asher EHEYEH. I AM that I AM. All people seek Him, but they only find glimpses of Him outside the Catholic Church. Edited August 4, 2004 by thedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 CatholicCrusader writes: Well we know allah is not God and moslems do not worship God because they do not believe in the Trinity, Who is God.. all other gods are false created gods. (I don't know if that is what you meant by your question) Well I was kind of desiring to hear from your own experiences and how you have come to know the ONE TRUE GOD and what were your inspirations on the matter but I still enjoyed your response and thank you for your reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 The One True God- YHWH, Creator of the Universe. In the Person of the Holy Spirit He Has guided me through the Sacred Scriptures and through Church Teaching to know Him more fully. The Holy Spirit has made me aware of my own sinfulness, and educated me through the Holy Bible that all who claim to be sinless are decieving themselves. In the Person of the Son, Jesus Christ, He has revealed His physical presence to me through the Most Holy Eucharist. Jesus Christ who is God has reprimanded me through His priests to keep me following the path that leads to salvation, which is strait and narrow. In the person of the Father He has held me to a high standard of holiness. God has brought me out of the darkness to reveal the light to me, though I sometimes prefer darkness He reprimands me, whips me into shape, and heals my soul. Is that personal enough for you, or did I not base it enough of private revelation and too much on being educated by the pius men He sent to me? Sin is real, sin exists, and you are a sinner like me. God to me is the all perfect definition of existence, the one who IS, 100% GOOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daugher-of-Mary Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 carrdero, I have to admit, you're giving me a lot to think about! I came to know the one true God by the hunger that is in every soul to know Him. "Our hearts are restless until they find rest in You, oh God!" Still, when I first came to know God I could only see a mere shadow of His great glory and love. Having found Him, I longed for Truth and found it within the arms of Holy Mother Church. While I could only see a shadow of His greatness before, as a Catholic I am in the presence of Heaven itself when the Son of God is made Present at the hands of a priest at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass. What love our good God has to remain (Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity) among us! Holy Mother Church has also made me more and more certain that God's greatest attribute is mercy! Through the Sacrament of Reconciliation I confess the great extent of my misery, but He who "listens to the heartbeat of sinners" makes my soul as white as snow as His representative speaks the words of absolution. I am grateful beyond words to have been received into such a Church--founded by Christ, against which the "gates of Hell will never prevail." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 You can worship the same God thru ignorance of not knowing what he truly is. Why this is so? I dont know. But thats what the Church teaches about Muslims, and what I gather from the Catechism, even though theres archaeological proof, Allah is just the one supreme diety chosen by muhammad and then labelled Creator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tora-Musume Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 I found you!...woo hooo...new topic. Enlighten me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 5, 2004 Author Share Posted August 5, 2004 daugher-of-Mary writes: carrdero, I have to admit, you're giving me a lot to think about! My two favorite gifts from GOD have ALL(WAYS) been wondering and dreaming. MorphRC writes: You can worship the same God thru ignorance of not knowing what he truly is. Why this is so? I dont know. But thats what the Church teaches about Muslims, and what I gather from the Catechism, even though theres archaeological proof, Allah is just the one supreme diety chosen by muhammad and then labelled Creator. Makes me wonder if this is a language barrier between sects (different names in different languages) or an actual identity crises (describing different entities for different gods). It would be interesting if the people of all nations would get together and at least try to agree on some common qualities about GOD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 It would be impossible to search for and find God. We mere humans can not hope to connect, by any meditation, prayer or sacrifice, with an all-powerful, all knowing, everpresent, infinite being. This is IMPOSSIBLE. We are flesh and He is spirit. Our only Hope is that that being, God, would reveal HIMSELF to us. Our only hope of understanding Him and seeking His salvation is if He came to US. Oh Saving Power of God, Mystery of Mysteries, Hope of all Hopes!!! HE HAS DONE THIS!!!!! We know that Jesus Christ is the One True God, because He came to earth, using the only possible way for us to know Him.... by becoming one of us. Thus is the extent of His love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 carrdero Ive read alot of archaeological books and articles about Allah, and archaeologically it is impossible for Muslims to worship the same God. I mean put it this way. Im an egyptian pharaoh and out of all the egyptian gods i chose Anubis to be the one, supreme deity, and label him God, Creator, etc. Does that mean I worship the same God? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Aug 4 2004, 08:43 PM'] Well we know allah is not God and moslems do not worship God because they do not believe in the Trinity, Who is God.. all other gods are false created gods. (I don't know if that is what you meant by your question) [/quote] THe Moslems worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who is the one true and only real GOD. Just because they don't believe in the Trinity doesn't make them wrong, it simply means they are missing a large part of revealed TRUTH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Allah is arabic for God. So in arabic churches where vernacular is used, they refer to him as Allah (Had to clear that up). Cmom is right, they do worship the same God. What you'll find very amazing is that they also have a great devotion to our holy mother (She has helped them before, especially in the city of Mosul, in Iraq, which was at some point predominatly Christian). Back to the original topic. How do I know the one True God? Well there is definatly revelation. I know that the one True God exists because of several things, for starters, I have been raised Catholic, and never understood the half of it. Once I learned about my faith I began to go to Adoration and that is where I really built my personal relationship with God. How do I know I hit the right one? The Truth has been set before me. Even then, my faith grew, and so God, like he does to all his faithful, loves to encourage them, especially during times of trial. One day, I had forgotten my homework at home, well at least half of it. My homework was in a folder tha twas at home ( I had finished it the night before in hopes of taking it to school ). I found the first half in my bookbag (Because I am incrediably neat ). I was really sad that I didn't have it, and so I prayed for God's help. I walked into my 3rd period class, and there was my folder, so I was like cool, but I left it at home and I had put my homework in it. Sure enough there was my homework that I had done the night before, but the amazing part was, the first half that I put in my bookbag, was also in there! This is just one of the cool things that God has done for me (makes me want to repay him even more, to bad we can't as humans ) Aside from that, God helps those who are faithful in ways that aren't humanly possible. Does a miracle prove that the God I worship is the True God? Not really. But it sure helps. To be quite honest, you will know the True God because he has to be perfect, source of all things. Fountain of all good. If he was anything less, he wouldn't be God. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tora-Musume Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 [quote name='MichaelFilo' date='Aug 5 2004, 09:42 AM'] To be quite honest, you will know the True God because he has to be perfect, source of all things. Fountain of all good. If he was anything less, he wouldn't be God. [/quote] If GOD was perfect, why did he not make us ALL perfect? Perfect=without defect; free from any flaw, faultless: completely skilled; expert. Since GOD is perfect, could he not have made us ALL entities in perfection? Just a question or should I start another trend for this? [quote]Aloysius Posted on Aug 4 2004, 09:00 PM The One True God- YHWH, Creator of the Universe. In the Person of the Holy Spirit He Has guided me through the Sacred Scriptures and through Church Teaching to know Him more fully. The Holy Spirit has made me aware of my own sinfulness, and educated me through the Holy Bible that all who claim to be sinless are decieving themselves. In the Person of the Son, Jesus Christ, He has revealed His physical presence to me through the Most Holy Eucharist. Jesus Christ who is God has reprimanded me through His priests to keep me following the path that leads to salvation, which is strait and narrow. In the person of the Father He has held me to a high standard of holiness. God has brought me out of the darkness to reveal the light to me, though I sometimes prefer darkness He reprimands me, whips me into shape, and heals my soul. Is that personal enough for you, or did I not base it enough of private revelation and too much on being educated by the pius men He sent to me? Sin is real, sin exists, and you are a sinner like me.[/quote] You mean to say that we are all sinners and that we are to be punished for all our sins? Ok..now I am really lost. Is it not that we are free of sin when we are baptised or is it that we are free of sin when we are born? I got 2 answers on the free of sin and they are both from the same faith. Help me out here with this question please. [quote]Aloysius Posted on Aug 4 2004, 09:00 PM God to me is the all perfect definition of existence, the one who IS, 100% GOOD. [/quote] Good=That does what is right; well-behaved; reliable, dependable; real, genuine: let me just repond to my own quote. Reliable, dependable, real, genuine. etc...etc. Reliable=Worthy of trust that can be depended on. (still questioning this) Dependable=that can be depended on; trustworthy (had questions that were never anwered. Still waiting...G) genuine=actually seems or is claimed to be; real; true. (still questioning this) So on and so forth. [quote]Is that personal enough for you, or did I not base it enough of private revelation and too much on being educated by the pius men He sent to me?[/quote] Pius men that GOD sent to you? Please explain. I am not understanding this statement. [quote]carrdero Posted on Aug 5 2004, 05:45 AM It would be interesting if the people of all nations would get together and at least try to agree on some common qualities about GOD.[/quote] Can't we all just get along? [quote]This was such a big hit on another thread that it would be a shame not to hear viewpoints from other Phatmass messengers. [/quote] I didn't even get to post in that last thread. It was closed down. . Can I ask it here? Never mind. I will just start a new thread. [quote]CatholicCrusader Posted: Aug 4 2004, 06:43 PM Well we know allah is not God and moslems do not worship God because they do not believe in the Trinity, Who is God.. all other gods are false created gods. (I don't know if that is what you meant by your question) [/quote] How is it that ALL other GODs are false created? Just a question [quote]thedude Posted: Aug 4 2004, 06:51 PM We do not have to identify Him, He has already revealed Himself to us through His Son Jesus Christ.[/quote] And you have seen His Son Jesus Christ through....? Or was this revealed in the Bible and the teachings of the church? Just a question Gotta Love me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 I'll be back in an hour from Church, if no one answers your questions, I'll do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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