littleflower+JMJ Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 exacty what they say is straight from Church teachings....the Pope has said countless times that when we vote it is mandatory that we use to end and stop abortion....its our obligation as catholics to make sure millions more innocent lives wont be spent...... you cannot guarantee this by voting for a third party in this election......which really means our vote is just a gamble and is could very well go either...... we cannot ignore reality and what we are up against.....for that will be deadly...to both babies and our society as a whole which is a hefty price to pay.... Pax. +JMJ+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Our obligation is to vote for the best candidate. We are in no way shape or form bound morally to vote for a lesser candidate based simply on what everyone else is going to do. I don't care who everyone else is voting for. I am obliged to vote for the best candidate. That is what I will do. Anyone who would suggest that we are sinning by voting for a third party candidate is simply foolish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 [quote name='AnomilE' date='Aug 5 2004, 10:47 AM'] We can be against Kerry without being for Bush and that's my whole point. [/quote] How do you propose we keep Kerry out of office then? It's more than just opposing him and saying it, it's going to take action. That's my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 [quote name='popestpiusx' date='Aug 5 2004, 04:23 PM'] Our obligation is to vote for the best candidate. We are in no way shape or form bound morally to vote for a lesser candidate based simply on what everyone else is going to do. I don't care who everyone else is voting for. I am obliged to vote for the best candidate. That is what I will do. Anyone who would suggest that we are sinning by voting for a third party candidate is simply foolish. [/quote] You are not sinning by voting for a third party. The point is if you do vote for that third party (which in the past few elections I can remember, has not won) then Bush loses a vote that may put him one ahead of Kerry. Bush is not the greatest guy in the world. He has flaws just like everyone else. However, his past term, he has done pro-life actions. He has proved that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 your just being counter-productive to the cause of pro-life. this is a war, we need to use strategery (pun intended). you're proposing a suicide mission: we're proposing a strategic attack that will put us in a better position later to deliever the final blow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthien Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 [quote]And we survived Clintion- did we not?[/quote] But thousands of innocent young unborn children did not because of his pro-abortion stance and voting record. Thousands more will die under Kerry... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CatholicAndFanatical Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 [quote name='AnomilE' date='Aug 5 2004, 04:36 PM'] Yeah, I read that and I'm not sure it's good enough. It falls too closely with the Bishops and I disagree with them too. [/quote] hold the phones, you said you were faithful but yet you dont want to agree with the Bishops..just who is the one going against Church teachings here? If you dont want to agree with the Bishops of the Church, the Apostles appointed by the Shephard, Vicar of Christ, the Pope to guide us in Faith..then who exactly are you going to listen too? Where exactly is this dude you're pushing for living at? I've never heard of him or seen him doing conferences. Are you just playing pretend with us or what? This 'hey wouldnt it be nice to have a 100% moral President' imagination is good to talk about, but isnt reality. This guy hasnt campaigned that I know of, hasnt been out trying to get elected or anything. So if you want to start living in real life then you must know that we only have two options as Americans. One is evil, the other isnt. You are suggesting that we not vote at all. How dumb is that? That will assure Kerry to win. If you dont vote, then dont gripe about not liking something the President does because its your fault he's in office. Point is, the chance of this guy being President is nill, none, zilch, nanah! Even if we all agreed here that he would be a better pick. As Catholics we only have one choice. I dont like Bush that much either, but our (note: OUR!) focus is on protecting the innocent and only one choice can do that and only one choice will further our cause. God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Blaze Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 [quote name='Luthien' date='Aug 5 2004, 04:43 PM'] But thousands of innocent young unborn children did not because of his pro-abortion stance and voting record. Thousands more will die under Kerry... [/quote] Peace Love and Cool beans my phatmass pham: I'm only making a statement: did thousands not also die under Bush? -_- *praying for a Christian not a politician to run for the presidency ~S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 [quote name='Sammy Blaze' date='Aug 5 2004, 07:25 PM'] did thousands not also die under Bush? -_- [/quote] Not because of an intrinsically evil act. War is not intrinsically evil. Abortion is. Huge difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dUSt Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 [quote name='AnomilE' date='Aug 5 2004, 03:02 PM'] Wow! If anything it is the political statement I have been speaking against from the beginning. I have made nothing but moral statements, not political ones. It is about ADHERING to the constant teaching of the Church for once instead of making political carp moves like voting for someone who is only less pro-abortion because if we don't, we help Kerry- THAT'S Political. Give me a break please. [/quote] So are you going to answer my question or not? [b]Would you be willing to help Kerry get elected for the sake of making a political statement?[/b] Obviously, Peroutka is not morally in line with Catholic teaching because he has made no mention of making condoms illegal. Again, according to your logic, it would be a sin to cooperate with this evil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 [quote name='dUSt' date='Aug 5 2004, 09:49 PM'] Not because of an intrinsically evil act. War is not intrinsically evil. Abortion is. Huge difference. [/quote] This makes no sense. Can you clarify? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 [quote name='dUSt' date='Aug 5 2004, 09:52 PM'] [b]Would you be willing to help Kerry get elected for the sake of making a political statement?[/b] . [/quote] A political statement? No that is rich. That is the argument the dems use. I am willing to vote for the best candidate. What everyone else does is thier problem. I am not changing my vote on account of the ignorance of a couple hundred million people. Abortion is not THE ONLY problem. It is a symptom of a much larger problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
picchick Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 [quote name='dUSt' date='Aug 5 2004, 08:49 PM'] Not because of an intrinsically evil act. War is not intrinsically evil. Abortion is. Huge difference. [/quote] I thought he was talking about abortion too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 This should be linked to the Rep. National committe website. I think I'm going to write in a candidate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 (edited) Obviously, Peroutka is not morally in line with Catholic teaching because he has made no mention of making condoms illegal. Again, according to your logic, it would be a sin to cooperate with this evil. [/QUOTE] Hence, you have decided that he is in favor of the use of condoms? That is interesting logic. In a campaign where condemns have not been mentioned one single time, Micheal Poroutka has not defended the Churches teaching on contraception. Ergo, he is not a good candidate. Makes sense, huh? Edited August 6, 2004 by popestpiusx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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