Bush Is Not Pro-life...

[littleflower+JMJ]

its easy.....we have to stop abortion. its mandatory........

lookee here....

[quote]President George W Bush- Signed the Partial Birth Abortion Act into law on Nov 5 2003 and said "for years, a terrible form of violence has been directed against children who are inches from birth, while the law looked the other way."
Senator John Kerry- Voted no on the PBA ban act and voted numerous times against previous attempts to outlaw partial birth abortion.

Bush- Signed the Unborn Victims of Violence Act (Laci and Connors law) into law on April 1 2004. This recognizes unborn children as victims when they are injured or killed during the commission of federal or military crimes.
Kerry- Voted against the UVV act and voted in favor of a sub amendment that would have only recognized one victim when a pregnant woman and her child are attacked.

Bush- Early in his presidency GWB reinstated the Mexico City policy, which prevents tax dollars from being given to organizations that perform and promote abortions overseas.
Kerry- Has stated that his first executive order if elected would be to "reverse the Mexico City policy..." This action would give our tax dollars to organizations that perform and promote abortions overseas.

Bush- Is against taxpayer dollars being used to pay for abortions. While he was governor of TX, Bush filed a friend of the court brief stating his strong opposition to an attempt to compel the state to pay for elective abortions.
Kerry- Voted numerous times to allow abortions at US military medical facilities and has voted at least 25 times in favor of using taxpayer dollars to pay for abortions in the US

Bush- Has addressed the March for Life via telephone.
Kerry- Attends and is a featured speaker at pro-abortion rallies.

Bush- Backs a ban on all human cloning.
Kerry- Opposes a ban on all human cloning.

Bush- Endorsed by numerous prolife organizations including Right to Life of MI Political Action Committee.
Kerry- Endorsed by Planned Parenthood Action Fund. Planned Parenthood is Americas #1 abortion provider, providing 227,375 abortions in 2002.

Bush- Ruled that federally controlled substances cannot be used to assist in suicides.
Kerry- Has said that we will fillibuster any Supreme Court nominees who don't support abortion and if elected president would only nominate judges who support his position on abortion. [/quote]

if we dont vote right.... Kerry will have that vote to get into office.....

and that is something that just [b]cannot[/b] be done.

[AnomilE]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 4 2004, 03:49 PM'] also: i live near Pittsburgh and recently had the chance to attend a rally for Bush. Every time they mentioned Spectore the whole crowd started booing, it was really cool EVEN when the President of the United States mentioned Arlen Spector, he got booed! anyway, spector spoke and because he got booed he ended up just trying to defend himself. the thing is: spector always supports our pro-life candidates for judges, and he has tremendous influence in the senate. because of this Pennsylvania has appointed many pro-life judges whereas most other states are unable to do so. Spector did come to the aid of Clarence Thomas as well. So, while it's fishy that Bush supported Spector over Toomey, and while i don't agree with it either, i can see his reasoning and it might just help the pro-life cause seeing as the 3rd circuit has pro-life judges on it. [/quote]
That's a fine political move for Bush and it makes sense for him, but not for faithful Catholics.

I re-iterate- We can never use evil to achieve a good end...even if it is small.

Ipso Facto

[Aloysius]

well, the President of the United States would not have the authority to overturn Roe v. Wade in the first place, but he does have the authority to pick out candidates for Supreme Court Justices.

[AnomilE]

[quote name='littleflower' date='JMJ+Aug 4 2004, 03:49 PM'] its easy.....we have to stop abortion. its mandatory........

lookee here....



if we dont vote right.... Kerry will have that vote to get into office.....

and that is something that just [b]cannot[/b] be done. [/quote]
The Catechism itself states that good can be rendered evil when intrinically evil methods are used.

Though Bush HAS done good, he has employed evil means as well.

How can we jsutify a man who supports Abortion to end it. I DON'T GET THAT!

[AnomilE]

[quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 4 2004, 03:51 PM'] well, the President of the United States would not have the authority to overturn Roe v. Wade in the first place, but he does have the authority to pick out candidates for Supreme Court Justices. [/quote]
Okay, so he will choose Justices that are pro-life. He has clearly stated that overturning Roe V. Wade is not what this country needs. Can you agree with this. Is this what Rome would say?

[AnomilE]

Okay,

I have to go home now so anything posted after this will not be responded to until tomorrow. Have at me. I'll respond then. Read the my attached file at the beginning of this thread.

AnomilE

[cmotherofpirl]

President Bush does not support abortion.

If you want to waste your vote on somebody who cannot win, and help the culture of death, that is your sin, not mine.

[qfnol31]

[quote name='AnomilE' date='Aug 4 2004, 03:49 PM'] I think we all have to ask ourselves "How por-life am I?" If you are unabashedly and without question pro-life, then how can you support someone who is not the same?

I see no sense in this according to the constant teaching of our Church. [/quote]
I'm pro-life enough to keep Kerry out of office.

[Aloysius]

i read your document, and i'm not convinced we can say George Bush supports abortion. what we can say is that George Bush does not believe the country is ready to illegalize abortion. but in his actions he continues to support pro-life justices. even his support of Arlen Spector was done in order to support pro-life justices. We are at war, and George Bush is fighting for our cause, we should not stab him in the back. (and I'm not talkin Iraq or Terror, but the war against abortion)

Give me one action of George Bushes that supports abortion.

You can name tons of actions by Kerry that support abortion, you cannot name one action by George Bush that supports abortion, in fact you can name numerous actions of George Bush that OPPOSE abortion. Planned Parenthood and NARAL hate this man because he is pro-life.

[Aloysius]

[quote name='AnomilE' date='Aug 4 2004, 04:55 PM'] Okay, so he will choose Justices that are pro-life. [b]He has clearly stated that overturning Roe V. Wade is not what this country needs.[/b] Can you agree with this. Is this what Rome would say? [/quote]
and thus if he was running for "Decider of What Supreme Court Decisions Should Be Overturned" I would not vote for him.

[qfnol31]

Kerry is the worst person for us to have in office.

Therefore we have three choices:[list]
[*]To be for him.
[*]To be neutral.
[*]To be against him
[/list]
Well, to be for him is to vote for him or to allow him into office. This is a sin because we are not allowed to support pro-abortion candidates unless we have to. I think we would agree that this choice is not allowed by the Church.

Well, we're not allowed to stand by neutral either, because that itself would be a sin.

Therefore we must be against him. Now to vote against him is to vote either for Bush or another candidate. I'll take the other candidate first. I have very many doubts that another candidate outside of the Republican or Democratic parties could win. In fact, I'm almost positive of it. Therefore, why should we vote for them in this case? I do understand that there are some certain cases where this would be necessary. However, I believe that if we all vote for a third-party candidate, we'll really be helping out Kerry. I think in that case he'll win the election. Now, we know that that's a bad thing, and something we really want to avoid.

That leaves us with the last option, to vote for Bush. Bush has not done any of the no-vote actions, as has Kerry (these include Abortion, etc.). Many people disagree with the war, but we're allowed to as Catholics (as stated by Ratzinger). Others have mentioned his view on embryonic stem cell research. He has stopped all funding for it beyond 2001, which is what he is limited to do. He is against abortion (except maybe in some cases, but I'm not so sure), but can't do anything about it. He's against the pill, but once again, can't do anything about it. I have a hard time seeing that not voting for him is better than keeping Kerry out of office.

Well, now I come to my point. God would not allow us to be in a positition where we must choose an evil. In my opinion, we can either vote Bush or allow Kerry into office. Neither seem to be good choices for many, but one must be right. (If someone can see another option, please mention it.) Therefore voting for Bush cannot be an evil because voting for Kerry is, and it seems hard to believe that we would ever be in an instance where we could only choose evil.

But then again, maybe there's a better option. I just don't see it.

My .02.

[ironmonk]

Bush IS Pro-Life!

There is no other choice.

Two choices in this election... Bush or Kerry. No one else has a chance to win.


HERE IS SOME OF WHAT HE HAS DONE:


[b]Bush - Pro-Life Actions[/b]
[url="http://www.righttoliferoch.org/nbushlist.htm"]http://www.righttoliferoch.org/nbushlist.htm[/url]

Before the last election you may have heard people say that neither presidential candidate was pro-life. Even now, some people are still saying George W. Bush is not pro-life. One reason for the persistence of this misapprehension is that the newspapers don’t write in detail about his pro-life actions. However, his actions have stirred up sharp opposition from many of the pro-abortion groups. Given that the newspapers don’t want to write about abortion, it’s significant that Fr. Peter West was able to amass a considerable list of newspaper and magazine headline detailing Bush’s pro-life actions.

Take a look at the list below.

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January 22, 2001 President Bush Reinstates Mexico City Policy [url="http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/01-29-01/mexicocity.html"]http://www.humaneventsonline.com/articles/...mexicocity.html[/url]

March 22, 2001 President Bush Helps Dedicate Pope John Paul II Cultural Center [url="http://www.nrlc.org/news/2001/NRL04/"]http://www.nrlc.org/news/2001/NRL04/[/url]

"The Pope reminds us that while freedom defines our nation, responsibility must define our lives," the President said. "He challenges us to live up to our aspirations, to be a fair and just society where all are welcomed, all are valued, and all are protected. And he is never more eloquent than when he speaks for a culture of life. The culture of life is a welcoming culture, never excluding, never dividing, never despairing and always affirming the goodness of life in all its seasons."

March 28, 2001 Reuters reports "Bush issues abortion rule order, outflanks Senate" [url="http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/DailyNews/bush_abortionrights010122.html"]http://abcnews.go.com/sections/politics/Da...ghts010122.html[/url]

April 17, 2001 President Bush Restricts RU-86 Funding and Close White House Feminist Office [url="http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/apr/01040303.html"]http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2001/apr/01040303.html[/url]

April 24, 2001 Bush Bans Sex Films from Air Force One [url="http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_270918.html"]http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_270918.html[/url]

April 25, 2001 President Bush appoints Fatherhood proponent [url="http://www.familiesnorthwest.org/dynpage.cfm?DPID=65"]http://www.familiesnorthwest.org/dynpage.cfm?DPID=65[/url]

April 30, 2001 Proclamation - National Day of Prayer [url="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/04/20010430-2.html"]http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20010430-2.html[/url]

May 16, 2001 U.S. House Backs President Bush in Denying Funds to Overseas Groups That Promote Abortion Legalization [url="http://www.consistentlife.org/US%20House%20Upholds%20Pro-life%20Mexico%20City%20Policy.htm"]http://www.consistentlife.org/US%20House%2...ty%20Policy.htm[/url]

May 17, 2001 Bush Administration Begins Effort to Put Pro-Life Advocates on Intl Panels - Reported in the Washington Post

May 21 Further Analysis Shows Bush's First Judicial Picks Promising Source: Pro-Life Infonet

May 26 Bush Overrules Powell on Nominee Appoints Pro-lifer to Important State Department Post [url="http://tennesseerighttolife.org/news_center/archives/05262001-03.htm"]http://tennesseerighttolife.org/news_cente...05262001-03.htm[/url]

June 1, 2001 Bush Won't Issue Gay Proclamation, Opts Out of Gay Pride Day - Reported by Associated Press

June 21, 2001 Bush Supports Strongest Pro-Life Ban on Human Cloning - Reported by Associated Press

July 6, 2001 Bush Administration Awards Abstinence Grants to CPCs, Pro-Life Groups

August 13, 2001 Bush Would Veto Any Funding of Additional ESCR

August 16, 2001 Attorney General John Ashcroft recently warned that less than 10 % of judges nominated by Bush have even had a hearing before the Democratically led Senate Judiciary Committee

August 28, 2001 Bush Won't Back Down to the United Nations on Abortion - reported by Reuters

October 15, 2001 Bush Administration Awards Adoption Awareness Grants- HHS Press Release

November 7, 2001 White House and Lawmakers Fight Pro-Abortion Amendments

Democratically Led Senate Attempts to Weaken Pro-Life Policies Are Blocked by Veto Threats and Pro-Life Lawmakers

December 5, 2001 Bush Selects Pro-Life Ex-Gov to Head Republican Party

December 10, 2002 Changes in the White House (from the Patriot's Herald) [url="http://www.patriotsherald.com/content/changed.php"]http://www.patriotsherald.com/content/changed.php[/url]

January 31, 2002 Bush Administration Proposes Coverage of Unborn Children in Health Insurance [url="http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/jan/02013106.html"]http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/jan/02013106.html[/url]

February 26, 2002 President Bush's Remarks at St. Luke's Catholic Church [url="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/02/images/20020226-11.html"]http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...0020226-11.html[/url]

September 27, 2002 Bush Administration Finalizes Coverage of Unborn Child in Health Insurance [url="http://www.vshl.org/press/2002/nrlc_20020927.shtml"]http://www.vshl.org/press/2002/nrlc_20020927.shtml[/url]

January 18, 2002 Bush Declares Sanctity of Life Day January 20, 2002 [url="http://www.priestsforlife.org/government/02-01-18bush.htm"]http://www.priestsforlife.org/government/02-01-18bush.htm[/url]

January 22, 2002 Remarks By President Bush in Phone Call to March For Life Participants [url="http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/jan/020122a.html"]http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/jan/020122a.html[/url]

January 30, 2002 President Bush Seeks Increased Abstinence Funding -Reported By Associated Press

January 31, 2002 Bush Administration Classifies Developing Fetus as Unborn Child - Reported By Associated Press

States may classify a developing fetus as an "unborn child" eligible for government health care, the Bush administration said Thursday, giving low-income women access to prenatal care and bolstering the arguments of abortion opponents.

February 1, 2002 President Bush has chosen an advocate for the aging who once worked with Mother Teresa to head his revamped effort to provide federal funds to religious charities. See the interview with Jim Towey in Crisis Magazine [url="http://www.crisismagazine.com/june2002/feature6.htm"]http://www.crisismagazine.com/june2002/feature6.htm[/url]

February 2, 2002 President Bush's Sincere Appreciation For Prayers Said For Him [url="http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/bushprayerreq.htm"]http://www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/bushprayerreq.htm[/url]

February 8, 2002 Federally Funded Planned Parenthood Launches All Out Attack Against Bush Judicial Nominee [url="http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/624592/posts"]http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/624592/posts[/url]

February 26, 2002 The President's Welfare Reform focuses on families, abstinence and work [url="http://www.family.org/cforum/feature/a0019805.html"]http://www.family.org/cforum/feature/a0019805.html[/url]

March 6, 2002 Bush's National Institute of Health Nominee Supports Complete Ban on Human Cloning - Reported by Washington Post, Baltimore Sun

March 14, 2002 Democratically led Senate quashes Nomination of Pro-Life Judge Charles Pickering [url="http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/NEWS/newspage.asp?story=918"]http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/NEWS/n...e.asp?story=918[/url]

April 8, 2002 President Bush Will Speak to Pro-Life Leaders Wednesday- Reported by National Right to Life News

April 10, 2002 President Bush's Remarks in Opposition to Human Cloning [url="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/04/20020410-4.html"]http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...20020410-4.html[/url]

April 11, 2002 President Bush Calls on Senate to Back Human Cloning Ban [url="http://www.nrlc.org/nv041102.html"]http://www.nrlc.org/nv041102.html[/url]

April 11, 2002 Friday Fax/UN Decides Against Cairo+10, Fears Bush Administration

May 2, 2002 Proclamation National Day of Prayer [url="http://www.nationaldayofprayer.org/media/president.cfm"]http://www.nationaldayofprayer.org/media/president.cfm[/url]

May 2, 2002 Bush Administration Opposing Abortion at UN Child Conference - Reported by Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute

May 23, 2002 Pro-Life Judge D. Brook Smith confirmed for Third Circuit Court of Appeals [url="http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/SHAKE/shakeHome.asp"]http://www.reclaimamerica.org/PAGES/SHAKE/shakeHome.asp[/url]

May 26, 2002 Atheist loses bid to halt Bush's faith references [url="http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/2882530p-3704157c.html"]http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/sto...p-3704157c.html[/url]

May 31, 2002 Crisis Magazine Editor Evaluates Bush's Relations With U.S. Catholics [url="http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjub/200206/0009.html"]http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjub/200206/0009.html[/url]

July 9, 2002 Pro-Abortion Groups Attack Bush Judicial Nominee- Priscilla Owen - Reported by Associated Press

July 22, 2002 Bush Administration Withholds UNFPA Money- Reported by Associated Press

July 24, 2002 Bush Announces Initiavtive to Encourage Adoptoin of Children in Foster Care [url="http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/07/20020723.html"]http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...7/20020723.html[/url]

August 5, 2002 Bush Signs Born-Alive Infants Protection Act

September 17, 2002 NARAL Opposes Michael McConnell's Nomination to the Tenth Circuit Court Of Appeals Statement of NARAL President Kate Michelman [url="http://www.naral.org/mediaresources/press/2002/pr091702_mcconnell.html"]http://www.naral.org/mediaresources/press/..._mcconnell.html[/url]

October 3, 2002 Democrat-Controlled U.S. Senate Kills Pro-Life Bills Favored by President Bush and Passed by U.S. House [url="http://www.nrlc.org/Federal/LegUpdates/Congressionalwrapup100302.html"]http://www.nrlc.org/Federal/LegUpdates/Con...apup100302.html[/url]

* The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 4965), passed by the House on July 24, 2002, 274-151.

* The Weldon-Stupak-Brownback legislation to ban all human cloning, including the cloning of human embryos (H.R. 2505, S. 1899), passed by the House on July 31, 2001, 265-162.

* The Unborn Victims of Violence Act (H.R. 503), a bill to recognize as a legal victim any unborn child who is injured or killed during commission of a federal crime, passed by the House on April 26, 2001, 252-172.

* The Child Custody Protection Act (H.R. 476), to make it a crime to take a minor across state lines for a secret abortion, if this abridges her parents right to be involved under their home-state law, passed by the House on April 17, 2002, 260-161.

* The Abortion Non-Discrimination Act (H.R. 4691), to prohibit state and local governments from discriminating against hospitals and other health care providers for refusing to participate in abortions, passed by the House on September 25, 2002, 229-189.

October 6, 2002 President Bush Building Strong Pro-Life Record _Reported by Boston Globe

October 14, 2002 White House staffers gather for Voluntary Bible Study Voluntary Meetings - Reported by USA Today

October 17, 2002 Germany Attacks Bush Administration Position Against All Human Cloning - Reported By Catholic Family & Human Rights Institute

October 29, 2002 Pro-Abortion Group and Senator Daschle jointly appeal for pro-abortion Senate- Reported by National Right to Life Source: Email Sent From NARAL

October 29, 2002 Pro-Abortion Group opposes nomination of Dr. W. David Hager to chair the Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Hager is a member groups like Christian Medical Association and Physicians Resource Council for Focus on the Family source California Abortion Rights Action League [url="http://www.caral.org/alert_current.html"]http://www.caral.org/alert_current.html[/url]

October 30, 2002 Bush Directs Advisory Committee to Protect Human Embryos Source: Associated Press,Washington Post

October 31, 2002 Pro-Life Groups Applaud Bush Decision on Human Embryos Source:Cybercast News Service

November 1, 2002 Bush backs away from reproductive health pact Source: Knight Ridder Newspapers [url="http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/4424134.htm"]http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/4424134.htm[/url]

November 8, 2002 Bush Administration Fights for UN to Oppose All Human Cloning Source: Reuters

November 8, 2002 Bush Right to Oppose Abortion at International Meetings -article by Steven Mosher Source:Population Resource Institute

November 14, 2002 White House Pressures Congress to Keep Military Abortion Ban Source: Pro-Life Infonet

Novermber 18, 2002 Pro-Abortion Senators May Filibuster Pro-Life Judicial Nominee Source: NY Times, National Review

November 19, 2002 Senate Approves Pro-Life Judicial Nominee Source:Associated Press

November 19, 2002 Bush Administration Opposition Continues to Derail Fake UN Cloning Ban Source: Associated Press

November 21, 2002 Bush Nominee for FDA Panel Says RU 486 Unsafe Source: Cybercast News Service

November 25, 2002 Abortion Advocates Bash Bush's Pro-Life Foreign Policy Source: Cybercast News Service

November 26, 2002 Don't Believe the Media Portrayal of Bush as Not Pro-Life by Paul Weyrich Source: Cybercast News Service

November 26, 2002 Radicals Attack Bush Because of UN Pro-life Stance Source: Austin Ruse of Friday Fax

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Quite a list. If Mr. Bush were King, he could have done more. But he’s only the President. During the period covered by this list, all the progress he made was against a hostile Senate with the pro-abortion people constantly giving him heat.

Thank you, Mr. President, for your persistence and courage.








Get it right.

God Bless,
ironmonk

Edited August 4, 2004 by ironmonk

[picchick]

Does everyone know that it is our duty to vote? Not as Americans but as Catholics. Just look in the Catechism.
Who else is there to vote for with a fighting chance?
If we do not vote for Bush who will help the pro-life movement, we will help Kerry Win.

[Paladin D]

[url="http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp[/url]

[picchick]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Aug 4 2004, 05:07 PM'] [url="http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp"]http://www.catholic.com/library/voters_guide.asp[/url] [/quote]
Right. And in order to protect what little morals we have left we have to vote for someone who has the better morals and who we know will defend them. Kerry obviously cannot.