Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Ok, I have a question. Some people very close to me are not catholic at all. The husband was, but has sort of fallen by the wayside, while the wife is vehemently opposed to it. They have 3 very young children. I am almost positive that they have not been baptised and my question is this: Would it be wrong to baptise them without the parent's knowing? Moreover, is it even possible, without, for example, Godparents present? I was under the impression that all that is necessary is true water, poured over them (the matter) and that they be "baptised in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit" (the form). In such a scenario, would the person (who doesn't have to be a priest?) also be the Godparent, or is there not one? That is a ton of questions, and I really appreciate an answer to them all, but I suppose the most important is: is it right to baptise children when you know their parents would not approve? - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cappie Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 TITLE I: BAPTISM (Cann. 849 - 878) Can. 849 Baptism, the gateway to the sacraments, is necessary for salva-tion, either by actual reception or at least by desire. By it people are freed from sins, are born again as children of God and, made like to Christ by an indelible character, are incorporated into the Church. It is validly conferred only by a washing in real water with the proper form of words. CHAPTER I : THE CELEBRATION OF BAPTISM Can. 850 Baptism is administered according to the rite prescribed in the approved liturgical books, except in a case of urgent necessity when only those elements which are required for the validity of the sacrament must be observed. Can. 851 The celebration of baptism should be properly prepared. Accordingly: 1° an adult who intends to receive baptism is to be admitted to the catechumenate and, as far as possible, brought through the various stages to sacramental initiation, in accordance with the rite of initiation as adapted by the Episcopal Conference and with the particular norms issued by it; 2° the parents of a child who is to be baptised, and those who are to undertake the office of sponsers, are to be suitably instructed on the meaning of this sacrament and the obligations attaching to it. The parish priest is to see to it that either he or others duly prepare the parents, by means of pastoral advice and indeed by prayer together; a number of families might be brought together for this purpose and, where possible, each family visited. Can. 852 §1 The provisions of the canons on adult baptism apply to all those who, being no longer infants, have reached the use of reason. §2 One who is incapable of personal responsibility is regarded as an infant even in regard to baptism. Can. 853 Apart from a case of necessity, the water to be used in conferring baptism is to be blessed, in accordance with the provisions of the liturgical books. Can. 854 Baptism is to be conferred either by immersion or by pouring, in accordance with the provisions of the Episcopal Conference. Can. 857 §1 Apart from a case of necessity, the proper place for baptism is a church or an oratory. §2 As a rule and unless a just reason suggests otherwise, an adult is to be baptised in his or her proper parish church, and an infant in the proper parish church of the parents. Can. 859 If, because of distance or other circumstances, the person to be baptised cannot without grave inconvenience go or be brought to the parish church or the oratory mentioned in can. 858 §2, baptism may and must be conferred in some other church or oratory which is nearer, or even in some other fitting place. Can. 860 §1 Apart from a case of necessity, baptism is not to be conferred in private houses, unless the local Ordinary should for a grave reason permit it. Can. 861 §1 The ordinary minister of baptism is a Bishop, a priest or a deacon, without prejudice to the provision of can. 530, n. 1. §2 If the ordinary minister is absent or impeded, a catechist or some other person deputed to this office by the local Ordinary, may lawfully confer baptism; indeed, in a case of necessity, any person who has the requisite intention may do so. Pastors of souls, especially parish priests, are to be diligent in ensuring that Christ's faithful are taught the correct way to baptise. Can. 862 Except in a case of necessity, it is unlawful for anyone without due permission to confer baptism outside his own territory, not even upon his own subjects. Can. 863 The baptism of adults, at least of those who have completed their fourteenth year, is to be referred to the Bishop, so that he himself may confer it if he judges this appropriate. Can. 867 §1 Parents are obliged to see that their infants are baptised within the first few weeks. As soon as possible after the birth, indeed even before it, they are to approach the parish priest to ask for the sacrament for their child, and to be themselves duly prepared for it. §2 If the infant is in danger of death, it is to be baptised without any delay. Can. 868 §1 For an infant to be baptised lawfully it is required: 1° that the parents, or at least one of them, or the person who lawfully holds their place, give their consent; 2° that there be a well-founded hope that the child will be brought up in the catholic religion. If such hope is truly lacking, the baptism is, in accordance with the provisions of particular law, to be deferred and the parents advised of the reason for this. §2 An infant of catholic parents, indeed even of non-catholic parents, may in danger of death be baptised even if the parents are opposed to it. As you can see from the above Canons the person concerned unless in danger of death cannot be baptised without the permission of the parents. Also refer to the first canon which says:[i]Baptism, the gateway to the sacraments, is necessary for salva-tion, either by actual reception or at least by desire.[/i] Ordinarily a Godparent is needed except, as always noted, when the person is seriously ill and in danger of death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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