MorphRC Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 Ok Bro. I got no problem with that. Also my position isnt what some would call a 'Michael Moore' position. Ive seen over 5 documentaries on these subjects, ranging from Bush's connection to Christian Zionists to him and his friends that have connections with Saudi CEO's, mainly oil, but also arms dealing. Ive read a few books, and even though i never claim to be an expert on such a topic, the evidence given by FBI, NSA, CIA directors and agents is so overwhelming that believing anything contrary seems out of it. Also with the ad hominem attacks, from the experience of people here and my self, that is used to try and disapprove the person since the arguement couldnt be, but I understand where your are coming from and the Christian side, which Ill try to respect and practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 [quote name='Apotheoun' date='Aug 4 2004, 06:58 PM'] MorphRC, If I have said anything that has personally offended you, I apologize. God bless, Todd [/quote] Same here Bro :peace: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 I would not label President Bush as a terrorist. I believe he's a honest man, where unfortunately many politicans these days have hidden agendas. But who knows? I'm just following my conscience. I don't care if a politican is republican or democrat, just as long as he doesn't supprt Abortion, Homosexual Marriage, Euthanisa, Fetal Stem Cell Research, and Human Cloning. I believe the war could've been handled better in some areas, but overall I believe the war was just on the basis of freeing Iraq from a horrible dictator, and his loose ties with terrorist groups. However, with the intelligence President Bush had at that time, he made the decision to go to war. Can't blame him for faulty intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 [quote]and his loose ties with terrorist groups. [/quote] Thats been accepted as false now. And infact [quote]Can't blame him for faulty intelligence.[/quote] that part isnt any better. Im off to bed, long day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 no, that hasn't been accepted as false. the 9.11 commission found that there was no direct help from Saddam Hussein in the planning of the 9.11 attacks, however Saddam and Al Quaida WERE in cooperation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 also: the faulty intelligence: one does not lie when they speak what they believe to be true at the time. it is only when they purposely speak against the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paladin D Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 4 2004, 01:57 PM'] also: the faulty intelligence: one does not lie when they speak what they believe to be true at the time. it is only when they purposely speak against the truth. [/quote] Word. [b]Morph[/b], if you were informed by highly credible intelligence personal that said to you [b]"Your neighbor is planning to kill you, you need to defend yourself"[/b]. Not to mention them providing some convincing looking evidence of such a plot, what would you do? I highly doubt President Bush was twirling his thumbs in the oval office, thinking of some mischievous plan of world domination for the state of Texas (I mean the United States). Come on now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 4, 2004 Share Posted August 4, 2004 (edited) [quote name='MorphRC' date='Aug 4 2004, 01:13 AM'] I dont hate America. I despise the Administration! [color=red][Edited by dUSt: Personal Attack][/color] And in typical bush-style. Blame everyone else but yourselves. Yeah. Im not the one going to war over Oil, land and US Bases positions, Im not the one that totally ignores International Law and the Geneva convention, Im not the one that passes amendments 8am in the morning, when all the senators are to tired to read em, and end up passing a law that restricts civil liberties, Im not the one that supports South American Governments that have been known for violations against humanity, Im not the one that sits on my butt, and lets 30,000 africans die a day, Im not the one that wastes billions of dollars a day on Iraq, when OXfam Intn, WorldCare and every other charity in Africa are dying on their feet trying to save lives, [b]IM NOT THE ONE THAT 'ACCIDENTLY' DROPS BOMBS 10 MILES OFF THEIR TARGET KILLING WHOLE FAMILIES![/b] [/quote] Why do you dispise an Administration that is trying to fix Clinton's Administration Damage, you sould know this is mainly his fault, why were in this War of Terror. For not doing a thing about it when he had the chance during his 8 years of his presidency its Always the previous administrations aftermath's that show up during the current ones, only reason why Clinton looked good is because he rode off the hard working administrations of Reagan and Senior Bush. Clinton's bad is now appearing before the Current Bush Administration, and Bush's Administration is doing its hardest to fix Clintons bad, and Anti War people and Bush haters are not helping America out. We didn't go to war for oil dude, that wasn't our objective at all not this time, Land and U.S. Base Postitions, could be better, so yes that was helpful and legal. Excuse me man, if the World tells you you can't defend yourself in a Life or Death Fight, are you going to listen? I think not, I would defend myself at all costs, reguardless of what the world thinks about it. and thats what Bush's Administration is doing now, and it "IS JUST" to defend yourself in battle. Yes, its a terrible thing that people of all nations that are effected by this World Wide War, losing their famlies, and such. but thats war, yes were sorry they lost their famlies and such, but its war dude. WAR: Technology of War changes over time, results of that technology devolopment will never change, War kills people. There will always be death in war, from Alexander the Great to Adolf Hilter to Saddam Hussian there has obiviously been death in their warfare campains same goes with today. Edited August 4, 2004 by White Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 this thread has failed to be productive...... pray for world peace. +JMJ+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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