MorphRC Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 whatever the church says. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatcatholic Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 [quote name='CatholicCrusader' date='Aug 4 2004, 09:21 PM'] OK, I'll bring this back to its actual purpose... what would you say if the question is posed as is--what is necessary, period, not the norm. Of course, I would expect a reason for what it is you believe, which, I'm sure you would have supplied anyway. [/quote] since there are members of other faiths engaged in this topic, i am not inclined to partake in catholic vs. catholic debate, which the phishies in this thread seem willing to instigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 Evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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carrdero Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 (edited) Edited August 5, 2004 by carrdero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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phatcatholic Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 how should i interpret all these faces? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 With Wisdom Young Padawin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 4 2004, 09:50 PM'] oh brother, pelagianism Pelagius lived at Kardanoel And taught a doctrine there How, whether you went to heaven or to hell It was your own affair. It had nothing to do with the Church, my boy, But was your own affair. No, he didn't believe In Adam and Eve He put no faith therein! His doubts began With the Fall of Man And he laughed at Original Sin. With my row-ti-tow Ti-oodly-ow He laughed at original sin. Then came the bishop of old Auxerre Germanus was his name He tore great handfuls out of his hair And he called Pelagius shame. And with his stout Episcopal staff So thoroughly whacked and banged The heretics all, both short and tall -- They rather had been hanged. Oh he whacked them hard, and he banged them long Upon each and all occasions Till they bellowed in chorus, loud and strong Their orthodox persuasions. With my row-ti-tow Ti-oodly-ow Their orthodox persuasions. Now the faith is old and the Devil bold Exceedingly bold indeed. And the masses of doubt that are floating about Would smother a mortal creed. But we that sit in a sturdy youth And still can drink strong ale Let us put it away to infallible truth That always shall prevail. And thank the Lord For the temporal sword And howling heretics too. And all good things Our Christendom brings But especially barley brew! With my row-ti-tow Ti-oodly-ow Especially barley brew! -- Hillaire Belloc Salvation comes from God, not from within yourself. God works through His Church. [/quote] I love Belloc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorphRC Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 I love Bellocs stuff on Islam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Knight Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 (edited) I think having a One on One Personal Relationship with Jesus Christ, is the necesssary key issue of obtaining Salvation. Accepting him as "Lord and Savior" is whats necesssary for Salvation. [b]Mark 1:15 "Repent and believe the Good News!"[/b] [b]Romans 10:9-10 "That if you confess with your mouth, 'Jesus is Lord,' and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, YOU WILL BE SAVED. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."[/b] [b]Ephesians 2:8-9 "For it is by the grace you have been saved, through faith - and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God - not by works, so that no one can boast."[/b] Confessing that your a sinner to Jesus and asking for forgiveness, Basically saying the "Sinners Prayer" I believe a dying man can be saved and obtain salvation and go to Heaven....... look at the guy on the cross next to Jesus.... [b]Luke 24: 37-43 "and saying, if thou be the king of the Jews, save thyself. And a superscription also was written over him in letters of Greek and Latin, and Hebrew, THIS KING OF THE JEWS. And one of the malefactors which were hanged railed on him saing 'If thou be Christ, save thyself and us.' But the other answering rebuked him, saying ' Dost not thou fear God, seeing thou art in the same condemption? And we indeed justly; for what we recieve the due reward of our deeds, but this man hath done nothing amiss. And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.' And Jesus said unto him, 'Verily I say unto thee, Today shalt thou be with me in paradise.'[/b] Thats a confession of a dying man on the cross next to Jesus, who most likely never got Baptisted, He was dying, he confess that he did wrong, in front of Jesus, he confessed that Jesus was innocent, He confessed he deserved to die for what he did, and Jesus said what I stated up there to him. Edited August 7, 2004 by White Knight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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