Ash Wednesday Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 [url="http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeadams/ma20040727.shtml"]http://www.townhall.com/columnists/mikeada...a20040727.shtml[/url] He has a good suggestion -- make shirts that say "Your mother didn't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 [quote]I think about the early feminists, the true feminists, like Susan B. Anthony, who were steadfastly opposed to abortion. I think about all of the abortion clinics in minority communities. I think that the next Martin Luther King was probably aborted years ago. I think that Margaret Sanger would have been proud to see the genocide against African Americans that has been launched in the name of “choice.” I think that she would be proud to see that this genocide is sponsored, celebrated, and embraced by the Democratic Party.[/quote] that hit me the hardest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 great article! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DancesforLove Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 (edited) That is a very good article. I agree we are blessed to have Bush as our president. I don't think abortions should be outlawed BUT!!!!(Keep reading before you judge me) I think they should be restricted to medical reasons only. I think that it should be left for situations like the pregnancy will take both the mother and baby, is it better to take both lives or just the one that will not make it anyway?? I do NOT think that abortions should be left to those who were too immature to embrace the responsibility and consequences of their actions. But I think if we outlaw abortions then what do you do to to the people (like me) who have that complication of if I get pregnant at the wrong time in my life it will kill both me and the baby. I can't say I would or wouldn't abort the baby but I think it should be an option for medical reasons but not a luxury for immature and selfish women. Edited August 3, 2004 by DancesforLove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 I lvoed that article!!! so much that i even emaield that author!!! thanks for sharing ash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Whoa....Now that's what I'm talking about.. Exxcellent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XIX Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 [quote name='DancesforLove' date='Aug 2 2004, 07:11 PM'] That is a very good article. I agree we are blessed to have Bush as our president. I don't think abortions should be outlawed BUT!!!!(Keep reading before you judge me) I think they should be restricted to medical reasons only. I think that it should be left for situations like the pregnancy will take both the mother and baby, is it better to take both lives or just the one that will not make it anyway?? I do NOT think that abortions should be left to those who were too immature to embrace the responsibility and consequences of their actions. But I think if we outlaw abortions then what do you do to to the people (like me) who have that complication of if I get pregnant at the wrong time in my life it will kill both me and the baby. I can't say I would or wouldn't abort the baby but I think it should be an option for medical reasons but not a luxury for immature and selfish women. [/quote] Ahhhh...the Principle of Double Effect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
franciscanheart Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 Just wanted to let you know that i sent that link to friends and family.... not even an hour later i received a reply from a pretty good friend of mine. she said this: [quote]Thank you thank you thank you PS Anybody wanna make a shirt? "Your mother didn't" or better yet front: Your mother didn't back: 2004: The year to support life. The year to support Bush. and then........................ WEAR THEM EVERYWHERE!! hehehehe[/quote] so we are... we're making those shirts!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelly_freak Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 the best way for us to stop abortion is to get to the root of the problem. we cant just outlaw it because then women would use other methods to have an abortion that aren't safe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaidoh Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 idk r we??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted August 3, 2004 Author Share Posted August 3, 2004 [quote]I think they should be restricted to medical reasons only.[/quote] There is what is called an "indirect abortion" where one has a medical procedure to save the life of the mother but does NOT have the intent of the baby dying, however the baby dies. XIX, isn't this what is called the "double effect"? It's my understanding that it is the only circumstance where an abortion would be morally permissable because it wasn't intended. If a woman is raped, it is my understanding that Catholic teaching allows for a woman to get emergency contraceptive done at a hospital to prevent ovulation and subsequent pregnancy (because this isn't "conjugal relations" or a "marriage act" in the slightest), but NOT after conception has occurred (i.e. resulting in aborting a conceived egg/embryo). (It takes about 6 hours for the sperm to get to the egg.) Correct me if I'm wrong there. So in most cases of rape, incest, medical necessity, there are ways to treat the situation without resulting in direct abortion. This is my understanding of it, anyway. If I'm wrong, correct me. :wavey: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 [quote name='DancesforLove' date='Aug 2 2004, 07:11 PM'] That is a very good article. I agree we are blessed to have Bush as our president. I don't think abortions should be outlawed BUT!!!!(Keep reading before you judge me) I think they should be restricted to medical reasons only. I think that it should be left for situations like the pregnancy will take both the mother and baby, is it better to take both lives or just the one that will not make it anyway?? I do NOT think that abortions should be left to those who were too immature to embrace the responsibility and consequences of their actions. But I think if we outlaw abortions then what do you do to to the people (like me) who have that complication of if I get pregnant at the wrong time in my life it will kill both me and the baby. I can't say I would or wouldn't abort the baby but I think it should be an option for medical reasons but not a luxury for immature and selfish women. [/quote] [url="http://www.catholic.org/cathcom/international_story.php?id=7803"]Peep this cool saint! <3 click here[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DancesforLove Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 that is something I've thought about too if I was in that situation flowery, would I have the abortion? part of me views it as Gods plan that it is his plan for me to die while carrying the child. But I don't know. I also agree with shelly, if it is just outlawed then people will be doing it on the streets and stuff which isn't better now is it? Also, is it right to outlaw something (I'm not saying its right) and say "no one can have abortions at all" because of religious and moral beliefs that not all people posess. Is it right for us to restrict every other women in America to something she doesn't view as a sin and to her is morally ok. It is something to think about, I mean YES it is absolutely wrong and horrible and should be restricted but is it right to force our beliefs on the rest of the women, because chances are it won't change there minds. I think there is a better approach to changing the views of abortion than bombing clinics or even protesting, I think we must show them a better option that will appeal to what THEY believe because we aren't going to convince some atheist person who we don't know not to have an abortion by outlawing it and saying that a higher being she doesn't believe in says its wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
littleflower+JMJ Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 abortion is wrong not because of religious belief.......but because its simply wrong to kill another human being...... science alone can prove that aboriton is wrong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DancesforLove Posted August 3, 2004 Share Posted August 3, 2004 no doubt!!! BUT you have to make the people having the abortions see that, because it is obvious they don't see that it's wrong. Be real, we can protest and preach about how wrong it is and IF the clinics close what will the patients who still haven't change their minds resort to then? Will they starve themselves to kill the baby, that is the least of evils they can do to abort the baby, not to mention self-abortions! All I am saying is it will take much more than outlawing it to make the people change. It is like when the atheist people come into the PM chat with us and tell us how wrong we are for praying to Saints. We belive it's right, they don't, no matter what either of us say our opinions don't change because we have out beliefs and they have theirs. We aren't going to change peoples mind by condemning them and telling them they are wrong and we are right, we have to SHOW them the light and the difference between right and wrong by setting the example not by telling them they will burn in eternal hellfire, a place they mostlikely don't believe in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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