homeschoolmom Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 [quote name='M.SIGGA' date='Jul 31 2004, 01:07 AM'] yup, I believe step #1 would ideally be to bring the traditional family back together, moms and dads marrying and having natural children and staying together (and wanting too). [/quote] What an odd concept... Sad that we've moved so far from this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagiDragon Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 of course there's a chance! i think there's a lot more than just a chance, though. Nearly every state in the US had (and i think, still has) laws on the books that illegalize abortions. The abortion problem can be blamed on many people, but it is only the supreme court that has given sufficient power to the movement to keep it from being swept away in righteous anger. i've heard a statistic (yes i know what Mark Twain says about the three types of lies: lies, d--- lies and statistics.) that says that 80% of the abortions in the US occur in NYC and the southern half of Cali. *remembers first reading from sunday* why don't those 10 good people leave NYC so that divine justice . . . jk :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: Peace, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 (edited) I think the next president could possibly appoint three Supreme Court Justices. If a pro-choicer wins the White House, it could be a long time before Roe vs. Wade is overturned. This is an extremely important election in regards to abortion. However, abortion will not really be illegal if Roe vs. Wade is overturned, the issue will just sent back to the states, which would be a lot better than the situation now, but not good enough. Edited July 31, 2004 by thedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 Well these die hard "Woman's Right" democrats will do their darnest to legalize all forms of abortion. It's like their main aim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 [quote name='MagiDragon' date='Jul 31 2004, 07:31 AM'] *remembers first reading from sunday* why don't those 10 good people leave NYC so that divine justice . . . jk :ph34r: :ph34r: :ph34r: Peace, Joe [/quote] ROFL. I was thinking the same thing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest almah19 Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 This is just my view on abortion, and it is probably in the wrong place, but i am new. Firstly, i do think it is wrong but on a few circumstances I think it is the better choice,ie. on a talk show last week there was a 6 mnths pregnant woman who was a prostitute and was still selling herself and injecting heroin into her veins, personally if i was that messed up i would not want to give birth to a baby and let it go through all that suffering cos of me. Secondly, i dont think abortion would ever be made illegal again because it is seen as the mothers choice as the baby is inside her, and if they did make it illegal people would still go to back street abortionists, it wouldnt solve the problem. Thirdly, where im from the law is that you can have an abortion up to 24 weeks because they say that the baby is not developed enough to be considered a 'proper life'. I dont have a clue about the development rates and ages of babies but a while back a woman gave birth to a baby at 23 or 24 weeks and the baby survives. So if a baby can survive at that age outside of the womb how can they say that it is o.k to abort it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagiDragon Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 [quote name='almah19' date='Jul 31 2004, 01:44 PM'] This is just my view on abortion, and it is probably in the wrong place, but i am new. Firstly, i do think it is wrong but on a few circumstances I think it is the better choice,ie. on a talk show last week there was a 6 mnths pregnant woman who was a prostitute and was still selling herself and injecting heroin into her veins, personally if i was that messed up i would not want to give birth to a baby and let it go through all that suffering cos of me. Secondly, i dont think abortion would ever be made illegal again because it is seen as the mothers choice as the baby is inside her, and if they did make it illegal people would still go to back street abortionists, it wouldnt solve the problem. Thirdly, where im from the law is that you can have an abortion up to 24 weeks because they say that the baby is not developed enough to be considered a 'proper life'. I dont have a clue about the development rates and ages of babies but a while back a woman gave birth to a baby at 23 or 24 weeks and the baby survives. So if a baby can survive at that age outside of the womb how can they say that it is o.k to abort it? [/quote] The trouble with this is that the Church teaches (and science agrees!) that there's a person present almost immediately after conception. Therefore, any equivocation here must be to place murder equal to something else. in this case we would be saying that killing a child who is going to be a crack baby is no worse than letting it live. If you think about that, it really cheapens the value of life, and we should never do that. Peace, Joe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandomProddy Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 [quote name='almah19' date='Jul 31 2004, 07:44 PM'] This is just my view on abortion, and it is probably in the wrong place, but i am new. Firstly, i do think it is wrong but on a few circumstances I think it is the better choice,ie. on a talk show last week there was a 6 mnths pregnant woman who was a prostitute and was still selling herself and injecting heroin into her veins, personally if i was that messed up i would not want to give birth to a baby and let it go through all that suffering cos of me. Secondly, i dont think abortion would ever be made illegal again because it is seen as the mothers choice as the baby is inside her, and if they did make it illegal people would still go to back street abortionists, it wouldnt solve the problem. Thirdly, where im from the law is that you can have an abortion up to 24 weeks because they say that the baby is not developed enough to be considered a 'proper life'. I dont have a clue about the development rates and ages of babies but a while back a woman gave birth to a baby at 23 or 24 weeks and the baby survives. So if a baby can survive at that age outside of the womb how can they say that it is o.k to abort it? [/quote] Hi (I'm guessing you are British btw) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 [quote]3.) Making abortion illegal again would require a vote on a pro-life bill in Congress that wouldn't be vetoed by the President. It'd also require that the President would appoint a pro-life judge willing to overturn Roe v. Wade. All of this is possible with Bush in office -- a fact that worries many pro-"choice" organizations.[/quote] Actually, the judge's position wouldn't be necessary if the bill passed by Congress was an amendment to the Constitution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusader_4 Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 conversion one by one...thats key let people open their hearts and their minds will change with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 I don't care for our current setup of government, though technically abortion is illegal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tora-Musume Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 [quote name='almah19' date='Jul 31 2004, 12:44 PM'] Thirdly, where im from the law is that you can have an abortion up to 24 weeks because they say that the baby is not developed enough to be considered a 'proper life'. I dont have a clue about the development rates and ages of babies but a while back a woman gave birth to a baby at 23 or 24 weeks and the baby survives. So if a baby can survive at that age outside of the womb how can they say that it is o.k to abort it? [/quote] Not all babies can survive in a womans womb when the woman has health problems. It is sad to say that sometimes a woman is given a chose to either abort the baby since the baby is not going to be healthy or not going to live. My mother had to make a chose to abort her babies. Yes..babies (twins). The babies where making my mother very ill to a point where she could have lost her life. My mother was devistated about loosing her children, but she had no chose. Either loose her babies or loose herself and her babies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest John 14:6 Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 greatings in the name of the LORD JESUS !! Hola people I am new and just wanted to say whats up ?! and say that abortion is murder plain and simple and really does'nt matter what people believe because Truth is Truth !! It is very intoerant ! 2+2=4 not 6 not 3456 not 1 not 234523 ! 2+2=4 God siad its murder :-) so its murder ! Have an awesme day ! God Bless in the LORD JESUS CHRIST ! Daniel <JESUS IS LORD>< www.needGOD.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tora-Musume Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 [quote name='John 14:6' date='Aug 2 2004, 08:20 AM'] greatings in the name of the LORD JESUS !! Hola people I am new and just wanted to say whats up ?! and say that abortion is murder plain and simple and really does'nt matter what people believe because Truth is Truth !! It is very intoerant ! 2+2=4 not 6 not 3456 not 1 not 234523 ! 2+2=4 God siad its murder :-) so its murder ! [/quote] If murder is agains GOD, then that would make the unborn child or children murderers due to the fact that the unborn had made the female unhealthy to a point that she will die. Again, the story of my mother bearing twins. She carried the twins in her womb and she had an infection where the babies where not able to survive in her womb. She ended up in the hospital where they adviced her that they have to remove the babies do to this infection or she will die. My mother is Catholic and yes, she does not believe in abortion. But in this case, either her life or her unborn childrens lives. Does that make my mother a murderer? If she sacrificed her life for her babies, would that make her an accomplice to her murder? If the doctor's couldn't save her or the children, would the doctor's be murderers? NO. To me, my mother is a savior for saving herself from death and the doctor's are saviors because they saved my mother from death. She chose to give up her unborn children for the sake of her health. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theoketos Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 [quote name='Madonna' date='Jul 30 2004, 11:53 PM'] That is like saying murder is always going to happen so we might as well make it legal and stop fighting. Apathy is the slow and painful road to hell. [/quote] I was going to write the same things, but add... Hate is not the opposite of Love, apathy is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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