John Kerry

[MC Just]

Ok so the Pope is "close-minded"??? The Church's teaching's on morality and socially issues are all wrong and you are right??

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='zwergel88' date='Jul 31 2004, 07:52 AM'] No, what's hard is trying to defend my opinion to close-minded people.

yes, you are are being mean, you answered your own question, you said in this very quote that I'm going to hell, how is that not mean? There is something very wrong with telling someone that, rather hipocritical in my opinion.

Okay, I swear, that I'm done this time, don't anyone dare quote my post! [/quote]
Please provide the information on Mr. Kerry's political positions that would override his constant support of the legalized murder of innocent human beings. The burden of proof is on you, to show that it is morally licit to vote for a man who supports the destruction of innocent human beings, and who even voted against the ban on partial birth abortion. Simply saying that you would vote for him in spite of his opposition to various aspects of the natural moral law is not enough. In fact, if you have no reasons in the moral order to support your position, you compound your sin, especially if your ignorance is not invincible, and if you have not taken the time or made the effort to inform your conscience based on the teachings of the Church. I can tell you now, that I know of no political position held by Mr. Kerry that would make it morally licit to ignore his pro-abortion and pro-homosexual views and thus make it possible to vote for him.

If you consider my views closed minded, that is your prerogative, but I am a Catholic and I vote on issues after informing my conscience in line with the teachings of the Magisterium.

God bless,
Todd

By the way, you are posting in a public forum and I will quote you whenever I want, especially since you have indicated that those arguing against your position are being hypocritical.

Edited July 31, 2004 by Apotheoun

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

He also supports taking kids across state lines for abortions without parental notification. Handing out contraceptive pills in schools, no parental notification. Supported bill requiring Catholic health agencies to provide contraceptives even though it goes against the faith, and there was no religious exemption option. Called reporters to say where he would attend Mass on Easter, a cheap photo op. Openly supports disobeying certain Popes. His campaign promises incite scandal among the faithful.
[url="http://www.catholicsagainstkerry.com/"]http://www.catholicsagainstkerry.com/[/url]

The website above doesn't endorse a candidate, but supports voting for anyone [i]but[/i] Kerry.

Edited July 31, 2004 by thedude

[CatholicAndFanatical]

Lil Red, thanks for the prayers hun. I appreciate them!

[quote name='"MagiDragon"']
You must realize that the top 5% of the nation already pay 95% of the taxes. Don't think that the rich aren't 'pulling their weight.' We should be encouraging people to do things that make money, not punishing them for it.
[/quote]

This may be so and I am not saying the USA's millionare's arent pulling their weight, but I think it could be better handled.

Not saying Kerry will do a better job, just saying the current tax plan isnt working.

How many of us here recieved an extra tax check when Bush sent one out around September of 2002? I didnt recieve one, but certain people that already made alot of money recieved a BIG check..but not me..whats wrong with that picture??


[quote name='"MagiDragon"']
Read between the lines here: it says 'America overtaxes companies already, and companies are moving to escape the high tax rates so they can stay in business. We can't let them do that!'
[/quote]

I dont think tax's are the reason they go overseas or mexico. I believe its because they can pay those people 5 bucks a day to do the same job as an american making 75 bucks a day. Its about profit to them, not about avoiding tax's.

There are companies that are making a nice profit per year, even with their current tax's, that are STILL laying off people from their jobs to move them to Mexico and overseas! Why? They are making profits here, they are just greedy and want an even MORE profit.


[quote name='"MagiDragon"']
Plus, this is a decidedly selfish way of thinking: When companies move to other countries, they boost the GNP of those countries and raise the standard of living. 3rd world countries are so poor that people will work for next to nothing. But that next to nothing is more than they would make without that company. When the standard of living is raised sufficiently in 3rd world countries, they become trading partners, and it benefits everyone in the world. We in America are already so spoiled that it's silly to say that we need to be *more* spoiled than we are, especially if it comes at the expense of our poorer brethren.
[/quote]

Well, although this is a nice icing to put on the cake, its not working. Sure, lets put 1.2 million people out of work so that a 3rd world country (Who doesnt give a carp about us Americans to begin with) can make a few extra penny's a day.

Im not sure I can claim that my current status would be considered *spoiled* as you call it. I admit, things could be alot worse in my life and I thank God He's been this patient with me.

However, I dont mind helping my lesser brethren just as long as I can survive and take care of my own kids at the same time. When a company moves to Mexico and 300 people are let out of work at the same time, it destroys that town and surrounding area's. Work is even harder to find because you have 300 other people competing for that one crappy job. Sure people in Mexico are happy, but what about those 300 that lost their jobs? I am a firm believer that in order to help outside countries OUR country should be fixed first.

The only assistance is Unemployment. Did you guys know that Bush put a law out back in December that says when your Unemployment runs out you cannot renew it again? Even though you do not have a job and you've been looking? My unemployment ran out 3 weeks ago. Normally I could of just renewed it and it would of gotten me by until I found something..but NOOO, thanks to G Dub, I cant.

Did you also know that G Dub is trying to pass a law that says Companies dont have to pay you overtime anymore?

How many of us live off of Overtime pay? I tell you 80% of my town does from Delphi and Chrysler factories here in my town. Without the overtime pay there are going to be alot of hurting people.


[b]Important Note from yours truely[/b]
I am not saying I support Kerry. I just like some of his idea's. Ideas I wish Bush would take.

Im sorry, but it does make me mad when I hear bush go on TV and say that he 'Created' jobs..Bush didnt create anything, those jobs are normally crappy jobs and are no where near the jobs that the person had before.

I will not, cannot vote for Kerry. But like I said, I like his idea's and thinking on some things.

but just so I make myself clear [b]I will not, cannot, vote for Kerry. As a faithful Catholic, I cannot do that[/b]

But dang, I dont wanna vote for Bush!

God Bless everyone and have a great weekend.

[Dave]

[quote name='zwergel88' date='Jul 31 2004, 10:52 AM'] No, what's hard is trying to defend my opinion to close-minded people.




[/quote]
But if you steadfastly refuse to listen, then you're not exactly being open-minded yourself.

[quote]yes, you are are being mean, you answered your own question, you said in this very quote that I'm going to hell, how is that not mean? There is something very wrong with telling someone that, rather hipocritical in my opinion.[/quote]

Now you're really trying to put words in my mouth! I never said you were going to hell -- I can't possibly know your eternal destiny if you were to die tonight! However, what I did say was that that sort of behavior COULD send a person to hell. If I said, "You're going to hell," that would be judging. But if I said, "You're putting yourself at risk of hell," then that's a warning -- a warning made in Christian love. Not only that, but I said it could send A PERSON to hell -- I was speaking of anyone, not just you!

Also, you just assumed I was being mean and jumped to a false conclusion. Not a very charitable thing. Thus, your claim that I'm being mean turns right around on you.

[quote]Okay, I swear, that I'm done this time, don't anyone dare quote my post![/quote]

Too late!

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='zwergel88' date='Jul 31 2004, 07:52 AM']No, what's hard is trying to defend my opinion to close-minded people.[/quote]
"Merely having an open mind is nothing. The object of opening the mind, as of opening the mouth, is to shut it again on something solid." -- G.K. Chesterton

Edited July 31, 2004 by Apotheoun

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='thedude' date='Jul 31 2004, 08:06 AM'] He also supports taking kids across state lines for abortions without parental notification. Handing out contraceptive pills in schools, no parental notification. Supported bill requiring Catholic health agencies to provide contraceptives even though it goes against the faith, and there was no religious exemption option. Called reporters to say where he would attend Mass on Easter, a cheap photo op. Openly supports disobeying certain Popes. His campaign promises incite scandal among the faithful.
[url="http://www.catholicsagainstkerry.com/"]http://www.catholicsagainstkerry.com/[/url]

The website above doesn't endorse a candidate, but supports voting for anyone [i]but[/i] Kerry. [/quote]
Thank you for your informative post.

God bless,
Todd

[Don John of Austria]

No response Mr. MMMERF. You know you really should stop and find out who your talking to when you start throughing aruond insulting statements like that.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

[quote]How many of us here recieved an extra tax check when Bush sent one out around September of 2002? I didnt recieve one, but certain people that already made alot of money recieved a BIG check..but not me..whats wrong with that picture??
[/quote]


ummmmm...... I GOT A CHECK! AND my husband got a check.


You had to PAY your taxes to GET a check back. That's how that worked. People who DIDN'T pay taxes into the system, didn't get a check.

I found most of the people complaining about not getting a check didn't actually pay either enough, or anything in taxes. It wasn't WELFARE it was a REFUND.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='CatholicAndFanatical' date='Jul 31 2004, 12:06 PM'] Lil Red, thanks for the prayers hun. I appreciate them!



I dont think tax's are the reason they go overseas or mexico. I believe its because they can pay those people 5 bucks a day to do the same job as an american making 75 bucks a day. Its about profit to them, not about avoiding tax's.

There are companies that are making a nice profit per year, even with their current tax's, that are STILL laying off people from their jobs to move them to Mexico and overseas! Why? They are making profits here, they are just greedy and want an even MORE profit.


[quote name='"MagiDragon"']
Plus, this is a decidedly selfish way of thinking: When companies move to other countries, they boost the GNP of those countries and raise the standard of living. 3rd world countries are so poor that people will work for next to nothing. But that next to nothing is more than they would make without that company. When the standard of living is raised sufficiently in 3rd world countries, they become trading partners, and it benefits everyone in the world. We in America are already so spoiled that it's silly to say that we need to be *more* spoiled than we are, especially if it comes at the expense of our poorer brethren.
[/quote]

Well, although this is a nice icing to put on the cake, its not working. Sure, lets put 1.2 million people out of work so that a 3rd world country (Who doesnt give a carp about us Americans to begin with) can make a few extra penny's a day.

Im not sure I can claim that my current status would be considered *spoiled* as you call it. I admit, things could be alot worse in my life and I thank God He's been this patient with me.

However, I dont mind helping my lesser brethren just as long as I can survive and take care of my own kids at the same time. When a company moves to Mexico and 300 people are let out of work at the same time, it destroys that town and surrounding area's. Work is even harder to find because you have 300 other people competing for that one crappy job. Sure people in Mexico are happy, but what about those 300 that lost their jobs? I am a firm believer that in order to help outside countries OUR country should be fixed first.

The only assistance is Unemployment. Did you guys know that Bush put a law out back in December that says when your Unemployment runs out you cannot renew it again? Even though you do not have a job and you've been looking? My unemployment ran out 3 weeks ago. Normally I could of just renewed it and it would of gotten me by until I found something..but NOOO, thanks to G Dub, I cant.

Did you also know that G Dub is trying to pass a law that says Companies dont have to pay you overtime anymore?

How many of us live off of Overtime pay? I tell you 80% of my town does from Delphi and Chrysler factories here in my town. Without the overtime pay there are going to be alot of hurting people.


[b]Important Note from yours truely[/b]
I am not saying I support Kerry. I just like some of his idea's. Ideas I wish Bush would take.

Im sorry, but it does make me mad when I hear bush go on TV and say that he 'Created' jobs..Bush didnt create anything, those jobs are normally crappy jobs and are no where near the jobs that the person had before.

I will not, cannot vote for Kerry. But like I said, I like his idea's and thinking on some things.

but just so I make myself clear [b]I will not, cannot, vote for Kerry. As a faithful Catholic, I cannot do that[/b]

But dang, I dont wanna vote for Bush!

God Bless everyone and have a great weekend. [/quote]
Bro (not all of this post is to you),


[quote]  How many of us live off of Overtime pay? I tell you 80% of my town does from Delphi and Chrysler factories here in my town. Without the overtime pay there are going to be alot of hurting people.[/quote]

The OT thing is a lie. I thought we already covered this on another thread?

[url="http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=151"]http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docid=151[/url]
[list]
[*]1.3 million low-paid workers who would gain the legal right to overtime,
[*] 644,000 higher-paid, white-collar workers who would lose coverage
[/list]

...many low-income workers would be gaining the right to overtime pay. Under the proposed rules any employee making less than $425 per week would be eligible for overtime benefits, [b]up from the present level of $155, a figure that hasn't been changed since 1975[/b]

The proposed rule changes are extensive, covering executive employees who can hire and fire others,
administrative employees in a "position of responsibility",
so-called "Learned Professional Employees" who have "knowledge of an advanced type,"
creative professionals,
outside sales workers and
certain computer workers such as systems analysts or software engineers.

[b] (None of these groups look very much like the blue-collar factory hand in the Moveon.org ad, by the way.)[/b]


--------------------------


Bush has helped create jobs. From tax breaks to reductions in spending, Bush has done a great job. All of his efforts to stop abortion, if he is reelected he'll have a chance to appoint good supreme court judges.

People claimed he cost jobs from clinton's screw ups. The economy was going downhill at the end of the Clinton admin. The economy is also a cycle. It has ups and downs. Clinton gave china most favored trade nation, do you have any idea how many factories moved there after that?


Don't believe the media spins, look at what Bush has to say before you start to believe the media.

The democrats are always lying about the republicans, and I'm sick of it. For instance when they were all over the news before Clinton got into office, they were saying that the Republicans would take food from the poor.... this is the biggest lie. The republican plans included providing for welfare and training the poor to support themselves... the tax breaks to corporations came when they opened businesses in the US.

Those who constantly lie are crooked. Therefore they are crooks.


Anyone who votes for Kerry is not Christian, nor knows what it means to be Christian, and is very far from Catholic.

Why do I say this?

Because of what the Pope and Bishops have said. Because I am Catholic.

[url="http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=82"]http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=82[/url]

From: United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
[url="http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/bishopStatement.html"]http://www.usccb.org/faithfulcitizenship/b...pStatement.html[/url]

[url="http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=136"]http://www.moraltruth.com/mtbbs/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=136[/url]



God Bless,
ironmonk

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='zwergel88' date='Jul 31 2004, 10:59 AM']
You know what, I simply do not believe you, and I refuse to participate in this debate anymore because I really do not think that all of you know what you are talking about, and because of the hostile reaction from some people (who called me a crook) it is pretty clear, that I am fully disliked here, so you probably won't hear from me for a while, but, I am still a Catholic, I am still supporting Kerry, and I am headed off to see him today in Greensburg, PA.

You know, I was never tying to be mean or anything here, I was only trying to defend myself, but I think that I have, so I am done, you need not quote my post and then tell me how sinful I am anymore.  Its to bad that this debate got so mean. [/quote]


We are not mean, we are honest.
Since you think we are just stating opinon read this from a BISHOP:
A LETTER FROM BISHOP MICHAEL SHERIDAN OF COLORADO SPRINGS:
NO COMMUNION FOR PRO-ABORTION / HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE VOTERS

A PASTORAL LETTER TO THE CATHOLIC FAITHFUL OF THE DIOCESE OF COLORADO
SPRINGS ON THE DUTIES OF CATHOLIC POLITICIANS AND VOTERS

Dear brothers and sisters in Christ,

This coming November we Americans will participate in one of the most impor=
tant national
elections in recent history. The president, senators and congressmen who ar=
e placed in
office by our votes will serve at a time in which issues that are critical =
to the very survival
of our civilization will be at the top of the political agenda. As we prepa=
re for these
elections I consider it my duty as your bishop to write to you about these =
matters so that
you might go to the polls this fall with a well informed conscience.

The Church teaches that "man has the right to act in conscience and in free=
dom so as
personally to make moral decisions." (1) Often we hear people claim that th=
ey are making
decisions in accord with conscience even when those decisions defy the natu=
ral law and
the revealed teachings of Jesus Christ. This is because of a widespread mis=
understanding
of the very meaning of conscience. For many, conscience is no more than per=
sonal
preference or even a vague sense or feeling that something is right or wron=
g, often based
on information drawn from sources that have nothing to do with the law of G=
od.

The right judgment of conscience is not a matter of personal preference nor=
has it
anything to do with feelings. It has only to do with objective truth. "Cons=
cience must be
informed and moral judgment enlightened. A well-formed conscience is uprigh=
t and
truthful. It formulates its judgments according to reason, in conformity wi=
th the true good
willed by the wisdom of the Creator. The education of conscience is indispe=
nsable for
human beings who are subjected to negative influences and tempted by sin to=
prefer their
own judgment and to reject authoritative teachings." (2) All people have a =
grave obligation
to form their consciences by adhering to the truth, precisely as that truth=
is found in the
natural law and in the revelation of God. As Catholics we have the further =
obligation to
give assent to the doctrinal and moral teachings of the Church because "to =
the Church
belongs the right always and everywhere to announce moral principles, inclu=
ding those
pertaining to the social order, and to make judgments on any human affairs =
to the extent
that they are required by the fundamental rights of the human person or the=
salvation of
souls." (3) In other words, as people who profess the Catholic faith, we mu=
st "have the
mind of Christ" in every judgment and act.

Among the many distortions and misrepresentations that prevail in the curre=
nt debates
about the relationship between religion and the social order (politics) is =
the assertion that
faith and politics are to be kept separated. This, apparently, is based upo=
n the American
doctrine of the separation of church and state. In fact, the wall that sepa=
rates church and
state is the safeguard against both the establishment of a state religion a=
nd the imposition
of sectarian religious beliefs and practices, such as particular denominati=
onal forms of
worship or theological tenets. In no way does the American doctrine of sepa=
ration of
church and state even suggest that the well-formed consciences of religious=
people
should not be brought to bear on their political choices.

The Second Vatican Council was abundantly clear on this matter. "Nor, on th=
e contrary, are
they any less wide of the mark who think that religion consists in acts of =
worship alone
and in the discharge of certain moral obligations, and who imagine they can=
plunge
themselves into earthly affairs in such a way as to imply that these are al=
together divorced
from the religious life. This split between the faith which many profess an=
d their daily lives
deserves to be counted among the more serious errors of our age. Long since=
, the
Prophets of the Old Testament fought vehemently against this scandal and ev=
en more so
did Jesus Christ Himself in the New Testament threaten it with grave punish=
ments.
Therefore, let there be no false opposition between professional and social=
activities on
the one part, and religious life on the other." (4)

[color=red][u]When Catholics are elected to public office or when Catholics go to the pol=
ls to vote, they
take their consciences with them. Pope John Paul II has consistently taught=
this as, for
example, when he said that those who are directly involved in lawmaking bod=
ies have a
"grave and clear obligation to oppose" any law that attacks human life. (5)=
The
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has declared that, "in this cont=
ext, it must be
noted also that a well-formed Christian conscience does not permit one to v=
ote for a
political program or an individual law which contradicts the fundamental co=
ntents of faith
and morals." (6) Anyone who professes the Catholic faith with his lips whil=
e at the same
time publicly supporting legislation or candidates that defy God's law make=
s a mockery of
that faith and belies his identity as a Catholic.[/u][/color]
In November we will once again have the privilege of exercising our most pr=
ecious right as
citizens – the right to vote. Our choices will be made from among an array =
of candidates
who take a variety of positions with regard to many important issues. In th=
e midst of what
could be a difficult and confusing exercise it is very important to remembe=
r that not all
issues are of equal gravity. As men and women of good will we strive to ach=
ieve true
justice for all people and to preserve their rights as human beings. [color=red][u]There =
is, however, one
right that is "inalienable", and that is the RIGHT TO LIFE. This is the FIR=
ST right. This is the
right that grounds all other human rights. This is the issue that trumps al=
l other issues.[/u][/color]
The November elections will be critical in the battle to restore the right =
to life to all
citizens, especially the unborn and the elderly and infirm. As a result of =
the pro-life efforts
of countless Americans the number of abortions performed in our country is =
now declining
for the first time since the appalling Supreme Court decision of 1973 that =
made it "legal"
to kill our children. We cannot allow the progress that has been made to be=
reversed by a
pro-abortion President, Senate or House of Representatives. Neither can we =
permit illicit
stem cell research that makes use of aborted babies. Any movement to promot=
e and
legalize euthanasia must be halted. Our votes have the power to stop these =
abominations.

[color=red][u]There must be no confusion in these matters. Any Catholic politicians who a=
dvocate for
abortion, for illicit stem cell research or for any form of euthanasia ipso=
facto place
themselves outside full communion with the Church and so jeopardize their s=
alvation. Any
Catholics who vote for candidates who stand for abortion, illicit stem cell=
research or
euthanasia suffer the same fateful consequences[/u].[/color] It is for this reason that=
these Catholics,
whether candidates for office or those who would vote for them, may not rec=
eive Holy
Communion until they have recanted their positions and been reconciled with=
God and the
Church in the Sacrament of Penance.

In recent months another issue has reached the level of our legislatures. I=
t is so-called
"same- sex marriage." Those who now promote this deviancy often present it =
as a human
right denied homosexual persons and thus illegally discriminating against t=
hem. But, in
fact, no one has a right to that which flies in the face of God's own desig=
n. Marriage is not
an invention of individuals or even of societies. Rather it is an element o=
f God's creation. It
is God who created us male and female. It is God who joined man and woman s=
o that they
could be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth. Every civilization known=
to mankind has
understood marriage as the union of a man and a woman for the procreation a=
nd rearing
of children. And yet now, in 21stcentury America, there are those who would=
want us to
believe that all people of all times have been mistaken about the true natu=
re and purpose
of marriage. No one can simply redefine marriage to suit a political or soc=
ial agenda.

Once again, we must be clear about this matter. The future of our world dep=
ends upon the
strength of the family, the basic unit of society. The future of the family=
depends on the
state of marriage. The family – father, mother and children – reflects the =
nature of God
Himself, who is a communion of selfless and self-giving love. For this reas=
on marriage and
family life cannot be whatever we want them to be. They are only and always=
as God has
created them. As in the matter of abortion, any Catholic politician who wou=
ld promote so-
called "same-sex marriage" and any Catholic who would vote for that politic=
al candidate
place themselves outside the full communion of the Church and may not recei=
ve Holy
Communion until they have recanted their positions and been reconciled by t=
he Sacrament
of Penance.

The Church never directs citizens to vote for any specific candidate. The C=
hurch does,
however, have the right and the obligation to teach clearly and fully the o=
bjective truth
about the dignity and rights of the human person. These teachings, in turn,=
must inform
the consciences of voters. "By its intervention in this area, the Church's =
Magisterium does
not wish to exercise political power or eliminate the freedom of opinion of=
Catholics
regarding contingent questions. Instead, it intends -- as is its proper fun=
ction – to instruct
and illuminate the consciences of the faithful, particularly those involved=
in political life, so
that their actions may always serve the integral promotion of the human per=
son and the
common good." (7)

Dear friends in Christ, I exhort you with all my heart to take courage and =
proclaim the
Gospel of Life to those who will stand for elected office this fall. It is =
by your prayers and
by your votes that politicians who are unconditionally pro-life and pro-fam=
ily will serve
our country. Conversely, if our voices remain silent or if, God forbid, we =
vote contrary to
our informed consciences, we will see our country led down a short path to =
ruin. We want
freedom for all, but there can be no freedom without truth. In the words of=
our Holy
Father: "When freedom is detached from objective truth it becomes impossibl=
e to establish
personal rights on a firm rational basis; and the ground is laid for societ=
y to be at the
mercy of the unrestrained will of individuals or the oppressive totalitaria=
nism of public
authority." (8)

Let us all pray for those politicians who claim to be Catholic yet continue=
to oppose the
law of God and the rights of persons that, by the grace of God, they will b=
e converted once
again to the full and authentic articulation and practice of the faith.

Finally, I wish to affirm my brother bishops who have proclaimed the truth =
of these critical
matters and who have admonished those Catholic politicians who place themse=
lves at
odds with the truth of God. May that truth which is the foundation of genui=
ne freedom
prevail in our country.

Given at the Chancery on this first day of May 2004, the Feast of St. Josep=
h the Worker.

Most Reverend Michael J. Sheridan
Bishop of Colorado Springs

Endnotes
(1) Catechism of the Catholic Church, 1782.
(2) ibid., 1783.
(3) ibid., 2032 and Code of Canon Law 747.2.
(4) Pastoral Constitution on the Church in the Modern World (Gaudium et spe=
s), 43.
(5) John Paul II, The Gospel of Life (Evangelium vitae), 73.
(6) Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, "Doctrinal Notes on Some Qu=
estions
Regarding the Participation of Catholics in Political Life", 4.
(7) ibid., 6.
(8) The Gospel of Life, 101.

Edited July 31, 2004 by cmotherofpirl

[MC Just]

Kerry is gonna love my "Crusade II" Track especially with an intro featuring a Priest speaking about Kerry. It'll be on my solo. You'll all get to hear it..

[Apotheoun]

Cmotherofpirl, thank you for your post.

[Archaeology cat]

[quote name='Quietfire' date='Jul 30 2004, 04:22 PM'] Please dont hate the man.
Pray for him.

[/quote]
I agree. I can't say I like Kerry's policies, and I can't say I'll vote for him because he goes against Catholic & Christian teachings. However, I will pray for him. If he does get elected, we'll all need to be praying for him, that God will do good through him despite Kerry's policies.

[M.SIGGA]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Jul 31 2004, 09:38 AM'] Our Holy Father chooses bush over Kerry. why do so many lay people think they are infallible and the pope is somehow wrong??? Especially democrats. [/quote]
The Pope officially endorsed Bush?