Tora-Musume Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 [quote name='carrdero' date='Jul 31 2004, 11:03 PM'] You're right -Tap water in a dixie paper cup and he has to dispose of it in front of me (the cup that is-not the water). [/quote] Why even bother putting water (even if it is tap water) in a dixie cup when you can just have him stand outside and turn on your hose? That way you don't have to waste a dixie cup, you don't have to let the devil in your home, and the devil still gets his drink of water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 the second you turn your back to fill up the dixie cup, he'll stab you in the back and proceed then to murder your family if you let him use your hose he'll strangle someone with it then flood the earth like Professor Chaos The Devil made a choice and by the choice became PURE EVIL, there is no hope left in him or for him. Jeff is right. Pax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 Not pure evil, he still retains some good, or otherwise he would no longer exist. Plus, he was created in the image of God. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tora-Musume Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Aloysius' date='Aug 1 2004, 12:45 AM'] if you let him use your hose he'll strangle someone with it then flood the earth like Professor Chaos [/quote] When I meant use the hose, I meant let him stand at a distance, turn on the hose, and tell the devil to open his mouth. That's why they invented those sprayers so you can spray the water farther than 25 feet. It eliminates him taking the hose and strangling someone with it. The Devil still gets his drink of water. ummm...flood the earth? I don't think that if I left my hose on that it will flood the earth. My neighboors would call or come over to turn it off. Be kind to thei neighboors. Turn off their hose for them. In my case, my landlord would come over and turn the hose off for me since he pays for the water bill . Are you going to say that the devil can take the hose from me, strangle me with it and the rest of the world, then keep the hose on and flood the earth like Professor Chaos? If the devil is that powerful to be able to strangle everyone and then flood the earth with a single hose, that's some power he has. . He needs to be faster than a speeding bullet (Superman) to be able to strangel everyone or be like Flash. The hose thing confuses me. Can you really flood the earth with a single hose? Gonna have to try that one. Edited August 1, 2004 by Tora-Musume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tora-Musume Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 I just wanted to say that I don't think we are all perfect. We have all created sin. Whether it be to ourselves or to others. 1. Can anyone here tell me if they have done wrong to others or to themselves? 2. Would that be considered evil? 3. If the Devil is called the Devil because he is evil and he has been damned for all his sins, would that make us evil for doing something wrong to others or to ourselves? 4. What does that make us? 5. If we did, can we be forgiven? 6. Or am I going to beaver dam me because I have done something evil. 7. Am I assumed to be a devil also? 8. What is considered evil? 9. Is stealing candy from a store evil? (you never stole candy from a store when you were little? ) 10. Would a person stealing food from a grocery store for their children be considered evil? The children are starving and there is no jobs available for this person. Just a few questions. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 [quote]Not pure evil, he still retains some good, or otherwise he would no longer exist. Plus, he was created in the image of God. [/quote] zach, I'm not positive how correct this statement is. I know for a fact that angels are not created in the image of God - that is a characteristic distinct to humans alone. Moreover, I don't think your first argument works either. A sin most certainly exists, though it contains within itself not a shred of Good. The devil has rid himself of all good and vehemently rejects it. I would argue that he has forsaken all that is holy and is, really, pure evil. - Your Brother in Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 [quote name='Tora-Musume' date='Aug 1 2004, 11:37 AM'] I just wanted to say that I don't think we are all perfect. We have all created sin. Whether it be to ourselves or to others. 1. Can anyone here tell me if they have done wrong to others or to themselves? 2. Would that be considered evil? 3. If the Devil is called the Devil because he is evil and he has been damned for all his sins, would that make us evil for doing something wrong to others or to ourselves? 4. What does that make us? 5. If we did, can we be forgiven? 6. Or am I going to beaver dam me because I have done something evil. 7. Am I assumed to be a devil also? 8. What is considered evil? 9. Is stealing candy from a store evil? (you never stole candy from a store when you were little? ) 10. Would a person stealing food from a grocery store for their children be considered evil? The children are starving and there is no jobs available for this person. Just a few questions. Thanks. [/quote] No one is claimimg to be perfecti. Almost everybody sins. The devil had a choice and he chose evil. Angels only got one chance and he blew it. We have a chance to change our mind until the moment of our death. Baptism gives us a life of grace which lasts until we commit a mortal [grace-killing] sin. After such a sin we need to reconcile ourself to the Church by confession and repentance. Stealing candy is a sin. Stealing food to say alive is not a sin, becasuse the earth belongs to us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 the point is that everything the devil does is contrary to God. that's the choice he made. someone who had the Beatific Vision and threw it away is BEYOND hope, eternally damned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 [quote name='carrdero' date='Jul 31 2004, 09:35 PM'] If Satan knocked on my door and asked for a drink of water I would give it to him. Not the bottled Dasani water but probably form the tap. He could keep the glass too. [/quote] I'd give him toilet water.. The devil deserves no mercy or forgiveness and neither can it ever be granted him.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 Personally, if the devil came my way, I'd be quick to make the sign of the cross, and get a rosary ASAP. God Bless Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tora-Musume Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 [quote name='MC Just' date='Aug 1 2004, 10:40 AM'] I'd give him toilet water.. The devil deserves no mercy or forgiveness and neither can it ever be granted him.. [/quote] Might as well not give him any water at all. He deserves no mercy or forgiveness, right? If you give him toilet water, you are still forgiving him and giving him mercy. But then again, it's just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 (edited) JeffCR07 writes: We must draw a distinction between loving our enemies and loving the Father of Lies. I think that we first need to identify why certain entities are our enemies and wonder if we need these particular beings in our life at all. I can assure you that Satan has personally done nothing to me to fall in the classification as my enemy. In fact Satan has never bothered to make himself known to me. Like I mentioned above I have never met Satan but just because I never met him doesn't mean he/she/it exists. JeffCR07 writes:We are commanded to love our enemies because all humans are created in the image of God, and so deserve to be treated with the greatest dignity and respect. You have explained that very sincerely but GOD I think has extended his love to all entities everywhere not just to human beings. And remember the "image of GOD" that the proverb speaks of is the imagination (read:the ideas) of GOD not so much the likeness. JeffCR07 writes: There is nothing holy about the Devil. In my personal relationship with GOD I found that there really is nothing "holy" about GOD either. Very easy going BEing GOD is. JeffCR07 writes: There is nothing in him to love, nothing to respect, and thus there is no hope for him, nor any forgiveness. If we cannot prove the existence of Satan there just may be nothing to discuss about him either. I guess I must apologize to some people but I do tire of all these "campfire stories" of Satan. This battle between good and evil. I'm not sure if people give GOD enough "credit". Why would a highly omnipotent intelligent Being like GOD be engaged in such conflict and doubt as what most religions promote about these two entities? Another aspect that I have observed (that I have also been guilty of) is that human society has a strong tendency to project blame away from themselves and put it onto something else other than themselves. Satan is a effective tool to instill guilt and fear. Parents try to instill fear into their childen with the concept of Satan and when that doesn't work they try to install fear into them with GOD. The whole theory of Satan and Universal Sovreignty and good vs. evil is what has spiritually held most fundamental Christian religions back with their first century brethen instead of propelling them into the new millenium. So when will this all end? When will humans start to take responsibilities for their actions, decisions and consequences? I guess it will stop when people awaken to the fact that they can bring about their own peace instead of their own destruction. Which actually realizes us into the truth that we have a long way to go. Edited August 1, 2004 by carrdero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 (edited) [quote] Tora-Musume writes:We have all created sin. Whether it be to ourselves or to others. [/quote] I don't think it should be consideres "sin" I think this is a manmade word that implies an offense against GOD. I do think that we have made mistakes though. [quote] Tora-Musume writes: 1. Can anyone here tell me if they have done wrong to others or to themselves? [/quote] I guess you would be the best person to realize this or not. Edited August 1, 2004 by carrdero Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Just Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 [quote name='Tora-Musume' date='Aug 1 2004, 10:53 AM'] Might as well not give him any water at all. He deserves no mercy or forgiveness, right? If you give him toilet water, you are still forgiving him and giving him mercy. But then again, it's just a thought. [/quote] Yeah but giving him toilet water would be very rude...And that's why i'd do it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tora-Musume Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 [quote name='MC Just' date='Aug 1 2004, 11:33 AM'] Yeah but giving him toilet water would be very rude...And that's why i'd do it... [/quote] So you mean to tell me that you are willing to forgive the Devil by providing him with toilet water? And will this toilet water consist of anything or will it be clean toilet water? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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