carrdero Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 cmotherofpirl writes: what would we forgive him for? Actually that is a very good question. Another way to phrase that would be "What would we forgive him for that we shouldn't be forgiving within ourselves?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Satan doesn't want forgiveness, he wants destruction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironmonk Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 [quote name='curtins' date='Jul 29 2004, 07:08 PM'] are we??? [/quote] The devil is a fallen angel. The devil is not our brother.... we are to forgive our brothers (mankind). God Bless, ironmonk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikkan_hanil Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Some priest on lifeteen.com says it's our duty to love and pray for the devil, which makes no sense at all because his damnnation is eternal and unforgivable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 You know, until this question, I never gave the devil much thought in reference to forgivness. Like I said, we are to pity him. And pray we dont fall prey to his deceitfulness. Pray we dont end up where he is, and pray for thankfulness that we are given many, many chances. Other than that, again, I dont give this particular subject much thought. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amarkich Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 (edited) [quote name='nikkan_hanil' date='Jul 30 2004, 02:02 PM'] Some priest on lifeteen.com says it's our duty to love and pray for the devil, which makes no sense at all because his damnnation is eternal and unforgivable. [/quote] All you need to do is look at the homepage for lifeteen to see that it is a protestant organization. Edited July 30, 2004 by amarkich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 (edited) I found the Lifeteen section in question: [quote][b]TEEN Question:[/b] God calls us to love everyone. Should we love the devil? [b]Father J's Answer:[/b] Short answer... Yes! Longer answer... it's still Yes, but a few Scripture passages that might be helpful to pray about. “My command to you is: Love your enemies, pray for your persecutors. This will prove that you are children of your heavenly Father, for His son rises on the bad and the good, he reigns on the just and the unjust” (The Gospel of Matthew 5:44-45). And then there is, “Love your enemy and do good. Lend without expecting repayments. Then your recompense will be great. You will rightly be called children of the Most High, since He himself is good to the ungrateful and the wicked” (The Gospel of Luke 6:35-36). So, yes, you do have to love Satan. He may be the ultimate enemy, but God still loves him, even though he doesn’t love God. And so we must have pity and love him as well. Now that doesn’t mean we want to be hanging out with him, spending quality time, talking long walks together, and try to get to know him better. No, you want to stay as far away from his evil as possible. But if we hated him, then we’re just be more like him. And let’s all try to be like our Father instead, always trying to live in the spirit of love. I hope this helps and I’ll be praying for you. Peace, Fr. J [url="http://www.lifeteen.com/DocQandA.asp?Action=View&ID=1185&Presenter=FatherJ"]http://www.lifeteen.com/DocQandA.asp?Actio...esenter=FatherJ[/url][/quote] amarkich, I have no relation to Lifeteen, but what brings you to believe that it is a Protestant organization? I know they have some abuses, but I heard they were going to clean them up. Edited July 31, 2004 by thedude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 The LT priest addresses loving the devil. Forgiveness is something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 [quote name='amarkich' date='Jul 30 2004, 04:24 PM'] All you need to do is look at the homepage for lifeteen to see that it is a protestant organization. [/quote] Unlike schismatics, lifeteen is inside the Church. They have been told to change their ways and obey, and they are. Wouldn't it be nice if schismatics did the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted July 31, 2004 Share Posted July 31, 2004 (edited) You are not supposed to Love the Devil; the Devil has rejected all that is Holy since he rejected God, He is Evil and one is not supposed to Love evil, The Devil is not Man he is an Angel, He is not like us, he is not Torn nor is he Guilty, He is Fully commited to Rebellion agianst God, We Should NOT love that. Edited July 31, 2004 by Don John of Austria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 If Satan knocked on my door and asked for a drink of water I would give it to him. Not the bottled Dasani water but probably form the tap. He could keep the glass too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 but what happens when he uses that water to drown someone, and then shatters the glass and stabs someone with its sharp edged? what then?!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 Aloysius writes: but what happens when he uses that water to drown someone, and then shatters the glass and stabs someone with its sharp edged? what then?!!!! You're right -Tap water in a dixie paper cup and he has to dispose of it in front of me (the cup that is-not the water). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 We must draw a distinction between loving our enemies (by whom Christ clearly meant other human beings) and loving the Father of Lies. To claim that we must "love the Devil" is a flawed and legalistic argument, for it blatantly denies [i]why[/i] Christ said "love your enemies" in favor of resting on the words in and of themselves. We are commanded to love our enemies because all humans are created in the image of God, and so deserve to be treated with the greatest dignity and respect. There is nothing holy about the Devil. He is entirely fallen and completely damned. All that he is and all that he ever will be, until the end of time, is fully detestable in the eyes of God. To aid him, in any way is to sin. Christ says that "whatever you do even unto the least of your brethren you do unto me" and he says this because we can see Christ even the most evil of our brothers and sisters. But Satan is not our brother, nor our sister, and before him even the most terrible of men will appear angelic. Nowhere inside him can you find the image of God, for his entire being rebels and denies and attacks such a thing. There is nothing in him to love, nothing to respect, and thus there is no hope for him, nor any forgiveness. Christ came to save man, not Lucifer. Moreover, Scripture and Holy Tradition teach us that, in the end, Satan will feel the wrath of the Lamb. Did George forgive the Dragon? Do you help the venemous snake that is poised to bite your child? The answer is obviously no. You kill the snake, as St. George killed the Dragon. We are called to imitate Christ. It is holy for us to despise Satan, and to vehemently reject him with all our souls. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qfnol31 Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 I would just add to that that we should love our human enemies because they are not damned and haven't completely rejected God until the end of time as has Satan. They can still choose God, and we should try to convert them, through love of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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