curtins Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 are we??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmotherofpirl Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 what would we forgive him for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 (edited) When I was growing up we were told to never hate the devil, cuz that isnt what Christ would want. We were told to pity him, cuz that was the one thing he wouldnt want. Pity and Prayer. Dont know about forgiving him though. Wouldnt it help if he repented? Then forgiveness would be understandable. If someone isnt repentent, then how can they be forgiven? Also, he only dangled the bait, yet Eve bit it.(the apple) Then again, to forgive is devine. Thats a toughy!! Peace. Edited July 29, 2004 by Quietfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicguy Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 (edited) [quote name='Quietfire' date='Jul 29 2004, 05:36 PM'] Pity and Prayer. [/quote] What would be the prupose in praying for the devil? He's in hell and stuck there. Any prayers for him are useless. He certainly is not going to stop trying to lure people to hell with him. Edited July 29, 2004 by catholicguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mary's Knight, La Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 (edited) to a degree i think so, Even God still loves the devil and in that love there's a forgiveness that the devil cannot receive (i'm leaning heavily on what i read from Frank Sheed) due to his angelic nature having turned his back on God he cannot/will not (re)turn to God. don't forget forgiveness is 2 parts the offering and the receiving forgiveness should be offered but in the same way it would be to one who has violently harmed you: from a safe distance. Especially considering the devil has done us all more violence than any human could Edited July 29, 2004 by Mary's Knight, La Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carrdero Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I never met Satan though that doesn't means he doesn't exist, though I am sure he is as misunderstood as GOD is. Since forgiving is a tremendous quality of GOD I vote yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 NO! If God doesn't (which is obvious) then we should not!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JeffCR07 Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 I must emphatically take the stance of popestpiusx here (lol, one of the few times we are on the same side, my friend! ) We must remember that Christ is both perfect Justice and Perfect Love. It was in Righteous Indignation that he cast out the merchants from the temple, and if that is how he deals with merchants, how much more will he deal with the Father of Lies and Prince of Chaos? Remember, we are called to live in imitation of Christ. Christ came to forgive people, but denounce sin. Lucifer fathered sin and the Church has authoritatively taught that he cannot be saved, because the nature of his rejection of God is irrevocable. I promise you, any man or woman who tries to make peace with the Devil will surely lose their peace through him. We need look no further than our baptismal vows - the same baptismal vows we renew every time we cross ourselves with Holy Water when entering a Church - for confirmation of this. Do you reject Satan? Yes. I reject Satan. All of him. He himself as well as his empty promises and his evil works. The Church's teaching is very clear on the issue. I am not trying to sound preachy, or derogatory, but it is a very serious article of faith, and so there should be no question with regard to it. - Your Brother In Christ, Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.SIGGA Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 [quote]Do you reject Satan? Yes. I reject Satan. All of him. He himself as well as his empty promises and his evil works.[/quote] This should be your only relationship with the Devil. The energy used to ponder anything else is wasted energy that could be used to build Christ's kingdom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Satan was in the very perfect presence of God and rejected him. Even when we die, if we get to heaven, we will be unable to turn on God. Satan's sin is unforgivable, whereas the sins that us mortals currently bound by time commit can be forgiven. It's useless to pray for fallen angels as they've rejected God for eternity and will never repent (the word never doesn't even make real sense in the concept of eternity. Things either are or they aren't.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 No angels are unable to Change their minds so they cannot repent and therefore cannot be forgiven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 (edited) I believe that as an angel Ol' Scratch was given free will to make his decision. He was in the presence of God and rejected him. God is no pushover, he condemned his former servant to Hell for eternity. Far be it from me to explain the nature of the Devil or God's forgiveness, but as I understand it once you are in Hell nothing gets you out. That's God's orders. Once you're there, you've blown it. No backsies for angels. So...Satan is outcast for all time. He's beyond our power to forgive, and has forever damned himself. I suppose we should learn from his example and try to obey God as best we can. But it's true, we are asked all the time if we reject Satan and all his works. We can't very well reject him if we fool ourselves into thinking he's redeemable. Man Hell is scary and I don't want to go there. oh yeah and this is my 100th post. Woot? Edited July 30, 2004 by toledo_jesus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 do you think it'd make him really mad if i said it's his example that makes me want to serve God even more? haha, sweet irony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathryn Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 We're in a spiritual battle and Satan is the enemy: Pope John Paul II (St. Peter's Square, Sunday, April 24 1994): "May prayer strengthen us for the spiritual battle we are told about in the Letter to the Ephesians: "Draw strength from the Lord and from His mighty power" (Ephesians 6:10). The Book of Revelation refers to this same battle, recalling before our eyes the image of St. Michael the Archangel (Revelation 12:7). Pope Leo XIII certainly had a very vivid recollection of this scene when, at the end of the last century, he introduced a special prayer to St. Michael throughout the Church. Although this prayer is no longer recited at the end of Mass, I ask everyone not to forget it and to recite it to obtain help in the battle against forces of darkness and against the spirit of this world." St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil. May God rebuke him, we humbly pray. And do you, [b]O prince of the heavenly host, by the power of God, cast into Hell Satan and all the evil spirits who prowl about the world seeking the ruin of souls[/b]. Amen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don John of Austria Posted July 30, 2004 Share Posted July 30, 2004 Angels are incapable of changeing their mind, as they are all spirit and will once they have reached a decision their entire being is set to it, the Devil Cannot repent because he is not made that way, He wills rebellion, for all eternaty he wills rebellionhe has no desire to leave hell as Hell is where he lives because he is rebalious thus forfilling his will. It is very alien to us because we are mortal and simply put have more chances, both to make it and to fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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