IcePrincessKRS Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 (edited) Not every guy has that. :ph34r: I think the options here are to not get a test at all and be honest with his future spouse about the possibility of infertility, or get the test done, be in a state of sin and have to go to confession. And really, sin isn't much of an option. Edited July 28, 2004 by IcePrincessKRS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Why can't he wait until he's married? As it's said, "don't worry about tomorrow, each day has problems of its own." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 It seems the bigger problem here is if he wants to get married, how does he tell his future bride? I know that I'm comfortable enough that when I get married, if either my wife or I are found to be infertile after the wedding, that we can adopt. If my future wife told me before we married that she knew she was probably infertile, I think I could still marry her because of love and by doing a lot of praying. If someone is truly in love with the other person (and all of us unmarried people are really hoping for true love, if we haven't found it yet), then I think that obstacle can be overcome. After all, I wouldn't want my girlfriend to break up with me over any unfortunate issue that resulted through no fault of my own. If I deceive her or omit mentioning the issue for too long (and this is subjective), however, she has every right to break up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crusader1234 Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 If a man is infertile and he gets married its not a valid marriage.. so its sort of a double edged sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 An infirtile man can get married. An impotent man cannot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='crusader1234' date='Jul 28 2004, 06:05 PM'] If a man is infertile and he gets married its not a valid marriage.. so its sort of a double edged sword. [/quote] I have never heard of infertility, when it is not intentional, as being a reason to make a marriage invalid. Can someone verify if this is true? Obviously he would want to be up front with girlfriend/fiancee that he might be infertile, if they start discussing marriage and children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='1337 k4th0l1x0r' date='Jul 28 2004, 06:09 PM'] An infirtile man can get married. An impotent man cannot. [/quote] I've never heard this before, either. As I understand what impotence is, one would normally NOT know or experience impotence until AFTER they were married and were attempting the, uh, marriage act. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 From the apologetics reading room. [url="http://www.catholicherald.com/saunders/98ws/ws980723.htm"]Marriage without Children[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 If you read Canon law, the requirement is to be open to children. I did not see where it addressed suspected sterility, but it did address suspected impotence. It specifically says that [u]suspected[/u] impotence was not a deterent to a valid marriage. Suspected infertility would logically be considered the same. People are married without knowing their fertility. Discovering infertility later on does not mean the marriage is invalid or should be anulled (or even can be anulled. Consider a certain King of England???!!??). Get married, and try to have babies. That's the sure fire test and is accepting of God's will in either case. It's not like he was 'artificially' made sterile by a vasectomy or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thy Geekdom Come Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Well, I'd ask EWTN... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [quote] With this in mind, let us address the issue of impotence. A man or woman who suffers impotence, either physically or psychologically, cannot enter into marriage because he or she cannot physically consummate the marriage. [/quote] (From the site) But how would one KNOW that they are impotent if they are virgins until marriage? Two people get married, and come wedding night, the male is impotent, it turns out? Do they call it all off? I always thought impotence was a medical condition that could be treated, and is at times caused by side effects of medications, or a psychological problem. But I'm not a male, so I'm not totally in the know... What about disabilities? A couple at our parish is married in the church, the woman has disability and is in a wheelchair, which makes me wonder if they are unable to consumate, or have kids, physically, this makes the marriage invalid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Wednesday Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='Raphael' date='Jul 28 2004, 06:33 PM'] Well, I'd ask EWTN... [/quote] Word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I think consumation is required for a marriage to be valid. They would have to call it off if the man is unable to consumate the marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philippe Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 [quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Jul 28 2004, 03:40 PM'] I think the options here are to not get a test at all and be honest with his future spouse about the possibility of infertility, or get the test done, be in a state of sin and have to go to confession. And really, sin isn't much of an option. [/quote] that makes no sense because if u go have the test done and u sin, then u really arent sorry for your sin so the confession would be invalid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted July 29, 2004 Share Posted July 29, 2004 I'd still put my money on collecting it during a nocturnal emission. It would just be a sin to try to stimulate one, but not wait for one. There is an issue, however, of how much time you have to perform the actual fertility test. There are some logistics issues, but I think they can be overcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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