How Long Will God...

[Moosey]

I have this sweatshirt and I looooooooooove it. It says on the front: "I survived" and on the back: "Over 1/3 of our population has been wiped out. Pray to end abortion."

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Edited July 28, 2004 by Moosey

[XIX]

Yes, I love the sweatshirt!

I honestly believe the Planned Parenthood shirts might not cause as much harm as it originally seems. I'll specualte (hopefully I'm right) that such a flagrant assertion will expose them for at least being callous enough to do that. And besides, now nobody can blame us for calling them "pro-abortion."

[XIX]

[quote name='catholicguy' date='Jul 28 2004, 02:36 PM'] OK so if it's supposedly only by ordinary magesterium, it's not a mortal sin against Faith to deny it because it's not infallible nor binding. Furthermore, this has not been defined by anyone for [i]required[/i] belief. I take St. Augustine over the opinion of liberal "theologians" of today. Furthermore, how could a baby have "baptism" of blood if he is not dying for the Faith? How could he have "baptism" of desire if he has no desire whatsoever, since he has no developed intellect to even form an understanding of God or right and wrong, let alone what Baptism is? God bless. [/quote]
By your logic, the canonization of the Holy Innocents is a pure heresy.

[daugher-of-Mary]

The Church has never said that children who die without Baptism have no hope of salvation. Rather she instructs us to look with hope to God's Mercy which is His greatest attribute.

[quote]CCC 1261 As regards children who have died without Baptism, the Church can only entrust them to the mercy of God, as she does in her funeral rites for them. Indeed, the great mercy of God who desires that all men should be saved, and Jesus' tenderness toward children which caused him to say: "Let the children come to me, do not hinder them,"63 allow us to hope that there is a way of salvation for children who have died without Baptism. All the more urgent is the Church's call not to prevent little children coming to Christ through the gift of holy Baptism. [/quote]

[Jake Huether]

LOL. I actually was thinking about that as I drove home from work yesterday. Sorry for the confusion...

Here's the skinny.

An infant is able to be Baptised due to the faith of their Parents. For Baptism does require faith in God - but the Baptism for the child is granted due to the faith given by the parents on behalf of the child (ref. the Centurions slave). That being said... A child might also aquire baptism by desire if had they been born the parents would have Baptised them.

That's my thought process anyway...

On the note about Lazerous and the Rich Man... The Rich Man was actually in Purgatory, not necessarily Hell (the translation doesn't indicate the Hell of the damned). We know he isn't in hell because he makes a spiritual growth, which is impossible in hell. The Rich Man goes from wanting out, then to caring for his siblings. Prayer and love and caring can not take place in hell.


And catholicguy, no one said anything about the aborted babies being in heaven. I simply requested their prayers. These children may or may not be in hell (the Catechism doesn't touch that). It is believed by many Saints that these kids are simply withheld the beatific vision (which we on earth are withheld also). Therefore, if these children are anywhere but hell, they can still pray.

It isn't a mortal sin to request the prayers of babies who may or may not be in heaven, hell, or otherwise.

Requesting prayer isn't a mortal sin.

It is a mortal sin to request prayers, or divination from someone who you know is in hell. And it is may be a mortal sin to teach, contrary to that of the Church, that these children are in heaven. Again, however, it isn't a mortal sin to ask for prayer. No prayer goes un answered. And if these kids can't pray, the good Lord will re-direct my request elsewhere.