Jake Huether Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [url="http://store.yahoo.com/ppfastore/ihadabt.html"]http://store.yahoo.com/ppfastore/ihadabt.html[/url] For the sake of His Sorriful Passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeymc Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 We definitely need to pray for Women and Unwed mothers.. As well as ACT to change the culture... This smells of elderberries.. :saber: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
universal Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Lucky for us God's mercy is His greatest attribute, otherwise we'd get the Divine Justice Smackdown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted July 28, 2004 Author Share Posted July 28, 2004 I emailed them, and I'm going to send it to PP too. To whom it may concern - I am absolutely appalled and deeply offended that Planned Parenthood would capitalize on such a sensitive issue. I am aware that most women grieve tremendously when they make the "choice" to terminate an unborn baby; an experience known as Post Abortion Syndrome (ref. [url="http://www.abortionfacts.com/PAS/PAS.asp"]http://www.abortionfacts.com/PAS/PAS.asp[/url]. ). To make a buck ($15 to be precise) off an experience that will change a woman's life forever is just plain tacky. I will do everything in my power to make sure that Planned Parenthood takes this marketing tool off their shelves and off their agenda. May God Almighty have mercy on us. And may the 45+ million babies who have been aborted in the US alone since 1970 pray for us, and for an end to the atrocity we call "choice". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 just another example of how abortions are a for-profit business... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Huether Posted July 28, 2004 Author Share Posted July 28, 2004 Good news and bad news. My work won't allow me on to the Planned Parenthood site. Good news - no one at my work can access their filth. Bad news - I can't email them... Can someone forward my letter to them on my behalf. God bless you all! I am so angry right now, it's hard for me even to type! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homeschoolmom Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 I will!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicguy Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 (edited) [quote]And may the 45+ million babies who have been aborted in the US alone since 1970 pray for us[/quote] I know it is hard to think about the babies who have died; however, it is a mortal sin against the Faith to say that these who have been murdered could be in Heaven. The Church has always firmly stood by the fact that Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. St. Augustine on two different occasions the absolute necessity of Baptism in this situation: "If you wish to be a Catholic, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." Even stronger, he stated: "Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without the participation of His Sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole Church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they can not possibly be vivified in Christ." It is hard to face the reality, but we must. I don't see why abortion would be such a horrible thing, if all these souls were going to Heaven. And please don't say they have "baptism" of blood. They are not dying for the Faith. Furthermore, such a "baptism" has never been defined by the Church. God bless. Edited July 28, 2004 by catholicguy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phazzan Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 People can pray from hell can't they? Who was that rich man in hell whatever who prayed for his brothers? In any case, if I was born in the States, Planned Parenthood would've been a hole in the ground years ago. You guys need to get creative. You're being biatch slapped! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicguy Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='Phazzan' date='Jul 28 2004, 10:30 AM'] People can pray from hell can't they? Who was that rich man in hell whatever who prayed for his brothers? In any case, if I was born in the States, Planned Parenthood would've been a hole in the ground years ago. You guys need to get creative. You're being biatch slapped! [/quote] No, the Church teaches that those in Hell cannot pray for those on earth nor aid them in any way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Crazy stuff... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 (edited) [quote name='catholicguy' date='Jul 28 2004, 11:23 AM'] I know it is hard to think about the babies who have died; however, it is a mortal sin against the Faith to say that these who have been murdered could be in Heaven. The Church has always firmly stood by the fact that Baptism is absolutely necessary for salvation. St. Augustine on two different occasions the absolute necessity of Baptism in this situation: "If you wish to be a Catholic, do not believe, nor say, nor teach, that infants who die before baptism can obtain the remission of original sin." Even stronger, he stated: "Whoever says that even infants are vivified in Christ when they depart this life without the participation of His Sacrament (Baptism), both opposes the Apostolic preaching and condemns the whole Church which hastens to baptize infants, because it unhesitatingly believes that otherwise they can not possibly be vivified in Christ." It is hard to face the reality, but we must. I don't see why abortion would be such a horrible thing, if all these souls were going to Heaven. And please don't say they have "baptism" of blood. They are not dying for the Faith. Furthermore, such a "baptism" has never been defined by the Church. God bless. [/quote] The Church teaches that we have to entrust babies who die withouth baptism to the mercy of God, according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. However, that in no way takes away from the necessity of baptism for salvation. As for St. Augustine, you don't seem to realize that a lot of times the personal opinions of the Early Church Fathers are depicted as Church doctrine. You can say what you want, but the Church has NEVER defined that unbaptized babies go to hell. And if you ignore the teaching of the Church and continue to claim that unbaptized babies are damned, then I'm sorry, but you're the one committing a mortal sin against faith. Baptism of blood and of desire have indeed been defined by the Church, even if only via the ordinary universal Magisterium. Edited July 28, 2004 by Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicguy Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='Dave' date='Jul 28 2004, 11:28 AM'] The Church teaches that we have to entrust babies who die withouth baptism to the mercy of God, according to the Catechism of the Catholic Church. However, that in no way takes away from the necessity of baptism for salvation. As for St. Augustine, you don't seem to realize that a lot of times the personal opinions of the Early Church Fathers are depicted as Church doctrine. You can say what you want, but the Church has NEVER defined that unbaptized babies go to hell. And if you ignore the teaching of the Church and continue to claim that unbaptized babies are damned, then I'm sorry, but you're the one committing a mortal sin against faith. Baptism of blood and of desire have indeed been defined by the Church, even if only via the ordinary universal Magisterium. [/quote] OK so if it's supposedly only by ordinary magesterium, it's not a mortal sin against Faith to deny it because it's not infallible nor binding. Furthermore, this has not been defined by anyone for [i]required[/i] belief. I take St. Augustine over the opinion of liberal "theologians" of today. Furthermore, how could a baby have "baptism" of blood if he is not dying for the Faith? How could he have "baptism" of desire if he has no desire whatsoever, since he has no developed intellect to even form an understanding of God or right and wrong, let alone what Baptism is? God bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 [quote name='catholicguy' date='Jul 28 2004, 03:36 PM'] OK so if it's supposedly only by ordinary magesterium, it's not a mortal sin against Faith to deny it because it's not infallible nor binding. Furthermore, this has not been defined by anyone for [i]required[/i] belief. I take St. Augustine over the opinion of liberal "theologians" of today. Furthermore, how could a baby have "baptism" of blood if he is not dying for the Faith? How could he have "baptism" of desire if he has no desire whatsoever, since he has no developed intellect to even form an understanding of God or right and wrong, let alone what Baptism is? God bless. [/quote] Wrong! Any Church teaching defined by the ordinary universal Magisterium is indeed infallible and binding. The 10 Commandments have never been defined by the extraordinary Magisterium. Neither have moral teachings such as those against contraception and abortion. But they're still infallible and binding. And if theologians are teaching according to what the Church teaches, then you are absolutely wrong to call them liberal. As for the idea that a baby can't have baptism of desire, then according to your logic babies shouldn't even be baptized because they don't have the intellect to know what it is or appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted July 28, 2004 Share Posted July 28, 2004 Semi-related: In my opinion the state has gone over the limits here: [url="http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/01/church.contraceptives.ap/index.html"]http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/01/church.c...s.ap/index.html[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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