Papal Great Invocation

[Budge]

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[quote]The Holy Father confirms and concludes the shared commitment to peace in these words:

Violence never again!
War never again!
Terrorism never again!
[b]In God's name,
may all religions bring upon earth
justice and peace,
forgiveness, life and love![/b][/quote]

Remember God is a jealous God. The above prayer is very Unitarian_Universalist.

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NOW COMPARE to ALICE BAILEY's GREAT INVOCATION

[url="http://www.lucistrust.org/invocation/"]http://www.lucistrust.org/invocation/[/url]

The LUCIS TRUST "Great Invocation" in JP's own words.

by the way, for those that don't know, Lucis Trust was originally named LUCIFER TRUST, they changed the name after they took too much heat over the name.


Quote:
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The Great Invocation
[quote]
From the point of Light within the Mind of God
Let light stream forth into the minds of men.
Let Light descend on Earth.

From the point of Love within the Heart of God
Let love stream forth into the hearts of men.
May Christ return to Earth. [Christ here is NOT Jesus Christ but the universal Christ, meaning saviour, big difference when they use the word]

From the centre where the Will of God is known
Let purpose guide the little wills of men –
The purpose which the Masters know and serve.

From the centre which we call the race of men
Let the Plan of Love and Light work out
And may it seal the door where evil dwells.

Let Light and Love and Power restore the Plan on Earth.[/quote]

The Pope said in his above.

[quote]May all religions bring peace and justice to the earth...[/quote]

False religions do not bring peace.

[color=blue]2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? [/color]

[1337 k4th0l1x0r]

I suppose then that all other religions are brutally savage and in no way can act peaceful?

I encourage my fellow phatmassers to not respond to this thread. The poster clearly starts threads making assertions about the Holy Father being a Unitarian-Universalist. There is no need to start fifty-million threads on this. If you want to debate it, start a thread that says "Is JP2 a UU?" and stick to that.

You're taking what the Pope is saying horribly out of context and are interpreting it as you see fit to bring him down. JP2 is asking for cooperation to bring about physical peace on earth. He would never say that spiritual peace can be obtained through other religions.

[God Conquers]

Writing in big letters does not compensate for ridiculous and false syllogism.

[catholicguy]

Okay, I do not understand why neo-conservatives are so afraid of admitting when the Pope makes a mistake or says something that is false. They are quick to do it of any medieval Pope but would never utter a bad word of the current Pope (even when it is required to prevent scandal). The fact that so many Catholics try to cover-up or defend the Pope when he makes an error is not only protecting scandal by the Pope but it is increasing the scandal because people may actually believe that this is what the Church teaches and this is what Catholics believe. Just because we believe that the Pope is the Head of the Church, that does not mean that we believe he cannot sin. He can sin, and he does sin. He goes to Confession every week. If we are to convert Protestants and others from conservative religions, we must recognize that Liberalism and Modernism are present in the Church, and we must do all we can to stop it and not to turn a blind eye to it. This is our only hope in converting others. If we pretend that the Pope cannot sin we not only go beyond what the Church teaches and what Holy Scripture tell us, we also exceed any hopes of converting logically-minded Protestants (I know they are few). God bless.

Edit: Peace is not the absense of war. As Saint Thomas dictates, it is the unification of the many under the same belief and cause. This is impossible without conversion. We cannot have peace without conversion of heretics, infidels, and all outside the Church. "Do not think that I came to send peace upon earth: I came not to send peace, but the sword." c.f., St. Matthew x.34.

Edited July 28, 2004 by catholicguy

[Chucho]

cathoilcguy,

I do not believe that anyone here has defended any wrong doing by the Pope.

I myself and others have only been defending the Pope in that he is not a universalist.

[catholicguy]

Well, we do not really know whether or not he is. He has said many things that would indicate him as such. In any event, we cannot judge the hearts of men, and unless he were to actually say that he condemns UU, then we cannot know for sure. The fact is that even if we believe that he is not a Universalist, it would be wise to recognize the errors he has made in possibly indicating that he is a Universalist or at least that he believes some of their theology. While we do not know for sure whether or not he is, we can and must be reasonable in our dealings with nonCatholics in recognizing that the statements made by the Pope could certainly be taken this way and that he should not make such scandalous remarks. Rather than trying to defend his comments, we should explain that he is not infallible in these comments and that while we should always follow the guidance of our Priests, Bishops, and the Pope, we should not blindly follow them if they persist in error. In the past we have been safe in saying that the Pope is right not only in his infallible decrees but also in his prudential judgments and statements. Now that Modernism has infested the Church, we have to be cautious until this heresy is destroyed and orthodoxy is restored. This is our best hope at converting nonCatholics.

[jmjtina]

[quote name='catholicguy' date='Jul 28 2004, 12:06 PM'] Just because we believe that the Pope is the Head of the Church, that does not mean that we believe he cannot sin. He can sin, and he does sin. [/quote]
[i]We[/i] believe he cannot sin? Says who? you? Of course he can sin, but do not presume that because we love our Holy Father that we are blind and ignorant.

Did you even read the "Day of Prayer" day of events before you already said, "This is a mistake the Pope has done?" did you even check to see in what [i][b]context it is given[/b][/i]?

You have issues with our current Pope, that is evident.

As for the Pope and calling ALL to stop violence, terroism and killing, what is wrong with that? I line up with Atheists and Baptists at the ABortion clinic. Do I deny my faith? NO.

Here's the WHOLE thing, nothing taken out of context. Each religion is praying in thier own room, with Christians (Catholics) in the Basilica.
[quote]
DAY OF PRAYER FOR PEACE IN THE WORLD 
ASSISI, 24 January 2002

 


Violence never again!
War never again!
Terrorism never again!
In God's name,
may all religions bring upon earth
justice and peace,
forgiveness, life and love!


SIGNIFICANCE OF THE DAY

             

1.        A world made more fragile by violence and terrorism

The appalling events which shook the world in September of last year, at the very beginning of the third millennium, sowed seeds of violence and hatred, and broke the spell of a society which saw itself as advanced and free, but yet in an instant found itself fragile, divided and threatened.

The terrorist acts, which struck and damaged places seen as symbols of economic and military power, touched the hearts of everyone and revealed the weakness of the world situation. There was a danger that these events would be seen as a conflict between economic and social systems or, worse still, as a clash between the Muslim world and other religions, especially Christianity.



2.        The cry for peace in the hearts of believers

Beyond the predictable and almost unanimous condemnation of terrorism understood as a threat to the harmony and rights of individuals and nations throughout the world, the tragic events of September 2001 stirred a number of helpful reactions in more attentive observers, and especially among the followers of the different religions:

- First, a condemnation of terrorism and every type of armed aggression which always bring hatred and violence and everywhere sow seeds of death and sorrow.
 
- Second, the desire to testify together that religions are committed to fostering in the world a climate of peace, justice and understanding, avoiding at all costs opposition between the various religions and the use of the different creeds to justify war and violence.

- Third, believers of the different religions, their hearts enlightened by the religious spirit which everywhere promotes fraternity among the world's peoples, were deeply aware of the still open and weeping wounds of injustice, ethnic and social conflict, the violence of war, and disregard for the rights of individuals and peoples, which cause suffering and endemic poverty, the lack of work and dignity, the great migrations and the menacing conflicts still taking place.



3.        A shared commitment of religions before the world

Faced with this world scene, the representatives of the various religions have almost spontaneously in recent months come to a common mind on three great commitments, to which they have often given expression.

- First, a heightened sense of the value of peace as a gift from God, to be prayed for with ever greater trust, according to the practice and tradition of each religion.

- Second, the desire to demonstrate solidarity joining together in shared supplication for peace.

- Third, the urgent need to witness together to a commitment to peace and justice, both in daily life and in the great decisions of political and social life - a witness which the secularized world, though far removed from religion, often demands and of which it feels itself in need.



4.        The summons of Pope John Paul II
 
Ever since the fearful events of last September, His Holiness Pope John Paul II has condemned terrorism and has, with his universally recognized moral authority, urged everyone to choose peace, justice and forgiveness. He has interpreted the wishes of many in summoning Catholics to a Day of Fasting and Prayer for the sake of peace - undertaken with great seriousness on 14 December last, during Advent - and in inviting the Representatives of the world religions to make a pilgrimage of prayer to the City of Assisi.  'I wish to announce that I intend to invite Representatives of the religions of the world to come to Assisi on 24 January 2002 to pray for the end of conflict and the promotion of true peace, and to come together, especially Christians and Muslims, to declare before the world that religion must never become a cause of conflict, hatred and violence (Angelus, 18 November 2001).

In a renewed 'spirit of Assisi', gratefully recalling the Day of Prayer for Peace on 27 October 1986, which offered the world a moving witness and was the prelude to historic change in the countries of Eastern Europe, the Holy Father has issued an invitation to come to Assisi on 24 January 2002, and this has been widely and generously accepted by Representatives of the Churches, Ecclesial Communities and the great religions of the world.



5.          Testimony, prayer, commitment

The Day of Prayer for Peace is being held in Assisi, in the shadow of Saint Francis, the Poverello di Dio who witnessed to non-violence, to peace with all people, and to harmony with all of creation.

The programme will have four parts.

In the first part, after arriving in Assisi, the Holy Father welcomes and greets the Representatives of the world religions in Piazza San Francesco.
 
Some of the Representatives then read testimonies in favour of peace.

The second part is given to prayer. The Representatives and their delegations, respecting their own religious convictions, go to pray in different places. Christians of the various Churches and Ecclesial Communities pray together in an ecumenical celebration in the Lower Basilica of Saint Francis.

As a sign of communion and hospitality, the programme also includes a fraternal meal for the Representatives and their delegations in the Sacro Convento.

In the afternoon, the fourth part of the day will take place, again in Piazza San Francesco. It will comprise a reading by some of the Representatives of a common text of commitment to peace, the sign of the lamp, the fraternal embrace and the Holy Father's farewell, urging renewed common witness to peace in today's world at the beginning of the third millennium.




ORDER OF THE DAY



The programme of the day, as previously noted, is as follows:

I.        Welcome and Testimonies for Peace
II.        Prayer in different locations
III.      Fraternal Meal
IV.      Commitment to peace and conclusion



I.        Welcome and Testimonies for Peace

1.          Welcome

-        His Holiness Pope John Paul II arrives by car at 11:00 a.m. in front of the entrance to the lower Basilica and enters Piazza San Francesco by foot. In front of the dais he welcomes the representatives who enter the Square from Via Fra Elia, together with their respective delegations, to the sound of music and the ringing of the bells of Assisi.

-        Once all the representatives have taken their places on the dais, the Holy Father greets them. The choir then sings Non levabit gens contra gentem gladium.

-        At the conclusion of the song, Cardinal François Xavier Nguyên Van Thuân, President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace, reads from the lectern a word of introduction.



2.          Testimonies for Peace
 
Some Representatives of different Churches and Ecclesial Communities and of other Religions read from the lectern, in their own languages, a testimony in favour of peace:

- the Ecumenical Patriarch, His Holiness Bartolomeus I
(Greek)

- the Archbishop of Canterbury (to be read by Bishop Richard Garrard)
(English)

- Dr. Ishmael Noko (World Lutheran Federation)
  Dr. Setri Nyomi  (World Alliance of Reformed Churches)
(English)

Musical interlude

- Geshe Tashi Tsering (Buddhism)
(English)

- Chief Ainadou Gesseto (African Traditional Religion)
(Fon-French)

- Didi Talwalkar  (Hinduism)
(English)

Musical Interlude

- Sheik Al-Azhar Mohammed Tantawi (to be read by Dr. Ali Elsamman) (Islam)
(French)

- Rabbi Israel Singer (Judaism)
(English)

- Chiara Lubich
  Andrea Riccardi (Catholic Church)
(Italian)



3.          Address by the Pope

- The Holy Father addresses the assembly.

- A moment of silence and a musical interlude follow.



4.          Invitation to prayer

-        The Holy Father invites all present to proceed to their respective places for prayer.

-        To the sound of music, the papal choir, the representatives with their respective delegations, and the Holy Father leave the square towards the lower Basilica and make their way to the places set aside for prayer. 





II.    Prayer in different places



1.        Access to the different places of prayer

-        The papal choir and the Christian delegations enter the lower Basilica directly and take their places immediately, after which the Holy Father and the representatives of the Churches and Ecclesial Communities enter in procession.


-        The representatives of the other religions, together with their delegations, upon leaving the piazza, are accompanied by the staff of the corresponding Pontifical Council and the Friars of the Convent to the places set aside for them. 


2.        Places set aside for prayer

-        Lower Basilica:        Christians

-        Sacred Convent:     

Room A          Islam
Room B          Buddhism
Room C          Sikhism 
Room D          African Traditional Religions
Room E          Hinduism
Room F          Tenrikyo
Room G          Shintoism
Room H          Judaism
Room I            Zoroastrianism, Janinism and Confucianism


III.        Fraternal Agape

At 1:30 p.m., the Holy Father and the representatives make their way to the refectory and the Delegations to other places set aside in the Convent to partake of a fraternal meal.



IV.        Commitment to peace and Conclusion

1.          Entrance and introduction
 
-        At 3:30 p.m., once the Delegations have been accompanied to their places in Piazza San Francesco, the various representatives and the Holy Father make their entrance.

Music will be performed during the entrance.

-        Once all are at their places, the opening hymn is sung: O quam pulchri pedes annunciantis pacem.

-        At the conclusion of the hymn, Cardinal Francis Arinze, President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, reads an introduction from the lectern.



2.          Commitment to peace

-        The Franciscan Friars bring a lighted lamp to the Holy Father and the representatives.

-        Some of the representatives take their places around the lectern and read the text of the common commitment to peace in different languages:

- the Ecumenical Patriarch, His Holiness Bartolomeus I
( French)

- The Rev. Dr. Konrad Raiser (Ecumenical Council of Churches)
(German)

- Bhai Sabhibji Mohinder Singh (Sikh)
(Punjab)

- Metropolitan Pitirim (Orthodox)
(Russian)

- Metropolitan Jovan (Orthodox)
(Serbian)

- Sheikh Abdel Salam Abushukhadaem (Muslim)
(Arabic)

- Bishop Vasilios (Orthodox)
(Greek)
 
- Mr Chang-Gyou Choi (Confucian)
(Korean)

- Hojjatoleslam Ghomi (Muslim)
(Parsi)

- The Rev. Nichiko Niwano (Buddhist)
(Japanese)

- Rabbi Samuel-René Sirat (Jewish)
(Hebrew)

- Dr Mesach Krisetya (World Mennonite Conference)
(English)



- The Holy Father confirms and concludes the shared commitment to peace in these words:

Violence never again!
War never again!
Terrorism never again!
In God's name,
may all religions bring upon earth
justice and peace,
forgiveness, life and love!



-        The Holy Father, followed by the representatives, makes his way to the pedestal in the centre before the platform and places the lamp there. The representatives do the same after him.

Meanwhile, the Canticle of the Creatures of Saint Francis is sung.



3.        Sign of Peace
 
-        Once the song is finished, Cardinal Walter Kasper, President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity, reads from the lectern an invitation to exchange a sign of peace.

-        The Holy Father exchanges a sign of peace with all the representatives.

Those in the Piazza also exchange a sign of peace to the sound of music.



4.          Dismissal

-        The Holy Father dismisses the gathering with a brief exhortation.

The assembly disperses to the sound of music.



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"[In coming to Assisi], we will show that genuine religious belief is an inexhaustible wellspring of mutual respect and harmony among peoples; indeed it is the chief antidote to violence and conflict"(From the Message for the 2002 World Day of Peace, No. 14).



Vatican City, 19 January 2002
+ PIERO MARINI
Titular Bishop of Martirano
Master of the Liturgical Celebrations
of the Supreme Pontiff[/quote]

[jmjtina]

[quote name='catholicguy' date='Jul 28 2004, 12:55 PM'] Well, we do not really know whether or not he is. He has said many things that would indicate him as such. [/quote]
Prove it before making such claims.

Post them here, and I'm sure we can look at them. And post them in context.

God Bless.

[Budge]

Come on, I was a Universalist for 13 years, I think I KNOW IT WHEN I SEE IT.

Sponsering prayers to false gods and spriits is universalistic.

Saying that peace can even COME OUT OF false religions is universalism

This is stuff that the New Agers passed off years ago, let all religions come together for peace and join together. Revelation 17 coming true.

The Catholic Church has moved towards out and out papalotry, the Pope can do no wrong. Very dangerous since more and more, people deny things right in front of their face.

Chucho, IM glad you know this stuff is wrong, but I have noticed in Catholic circles, the First Commandment takes the way back seat to defending every thing the Pope says.

Fear God more then man, many of you are forgetting that.

[quote]I myself and others have only been defending the Pope in that he is not a universalist.  [/quote]

If he believes as he said in quote above that peace can come about through any other religion but Christianity he is a Universalist.
[quote]Here's the WHOLE thing, nothing taken out of context. Each religion is praying in thier own room, with Christians (Catholics) in the Basilica. [/quote]

Seriously so what if they are in their own room?
Does this mean to witness to my Wiccan and Buddhist friends I can invite them over and have one do a spell in my bedroom and Buddhist do Chant in the den?

Total nonsense.

[ironmonk]

I wonder what the actual word meant. There are various words that translate into one word in English.

And all religions, when someone seeks with an open mind for the truth, lead to Catholicism.


God Bless,
ironmonk

[Budge]

[quote]And all religions, when someone seeks with an open mind for the truth, lead to Catholicism.[/quote]

You said it not me.

So Hinduism, Buddhism, Voodoo, Confusianism, all the religions that teach the LIES of the garden YE SHALL BE AS GODS...lead to Catholicism?

You said it not me.

Kind of gives that MYSTERY BABYLON SUSPICIONS a little umph htere.

So when you say all religions lead to Catholicism, you are preaching your own form of universalism because Universalists beleive all religions lead to God.

[cmotherofpirl]

The Catholic Church is the fullness of Faith. Other groups have only the bits and pieces of truth.

The Church does not teach all religions lead to God. The search for TRUTH leads to God.

And the Catholic Church contains the fullness of that Truth.

[phatcatholic]

[quote name='Budge' date='Jul 28 2004, 09:26 AM'] Violence never again!
War never again!
Terrorism never again!
[b]In God's name,
may all religions bring upon earth
justice and peace,
forgiveness, life and love![/b] [/quote]
budge,

it is obvious to me that all the pope is doing here is hoping that peace and forgiveness will come out of all religions. what is wrong w/ this? he is not asserting that these other religions are acceptable or equal to Christianity. he is merely praying that the peace and forgiveness that comes from Christianity will come from these religions as well.

since you undoubtedly believe that no peace or forgiveness can come from other religions, that should give you all the more reason to pray that such things may come from them nonetheless--and to support the person who makes such a prayer. justice, peace, forgiveness, life and love are essential to communion with God and our fellow man. there is nothing wrong w/ praying for these things, and especially with praying that these things will come from the most unlikely of sources.

pax christi,
phatcatholic

[catholicguy]

[quote]Did you even read the "Day of Prayer" day of events before you already said, "This is a mistake the Pope has done?" did you even check to see in what context it is given?
[/quote]

If the Pope said there is no God or that the Catholic Church is not the True Church or that contraception is OK, would you need the context to know its wrong? NO! The same prevails here. His idea that peace comes from false religions agreeing not to fight, etc. is wrong because he doesn't know what peace is if he thinks not fighting is peace. Read St. Thomas Aquinas's writings. I agree with him before the Pope's opinion (which would not necessarily be something I would say 75 years ago, but, like I said, with Modernism, you have to be careful now). God bless.

[ThyWillBeDone]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jul 28 2004, 03:57 PM'] justice, peace, forgiveness, life and love are essential to communion with God and our fellow man. there is nothing wrong w/ praying for these things, and especially with praying that these things will come from the most unlikely of sources.

[/quote]
I agree with Phatcatholic and I am going to keep praying for peace just as our Holy Father.
God Bless,
Chris