MichaelFilo Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 I was born in Baghdad Iraq. I come from a Catholic family, from both sides. Your arguement isn't based on history but popular mistunderstanding imposed by anti-Catholic thinking that has spread outside of the Protestant circle and has infected the natinon as a whole. With that said, I harbor no resentment against the crusades, just as I harbor no resentment against iran who attacked Iraq before I was born. The Crusades were justified. My friend is Indian by the way, he probably has no inkling of what the crusades are/were, probably because he is ignorant to history, but more than likely because the crusades never went down there anyways. The crusades were mostly a victory for the muslims in the end anyways. The intention was good, and the cause was good, just didn't work out is all. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 Mikey, Youre from Iraq? Are your parents American, or Iraqi? And both of em Catholic? Cool beans! What are your views on this war? Its so cool that youre from Iraq. Peace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted August 1, 2004 Author Share Posted August 1, 2004 I included India because a lot of people who live in India have ancestoral ties to the Middle East. An Indan man I know protested a Campus Crusade campaign because the organization had the word "crusade" in it, which made him think of the Christians who killed his ancestors. I have read the Koran. I know the amount of violence contained in the text. It doesn't make it right for them to be actively violent no more than it's right for the church to proclaim a holy war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 Yes both my parents are Catholic. The war isn't something I'm parading over, I've lost an uncle and today they blew up a 2 churches and my cousin is badly hurt. None of my family fought against the US, and my dad works for the US army over there. Anyways, fro, please consider the value of the holy places in the holy land and their importance then and now. People would fight to keep them under their control, just as much as you'd try to stop somebody from moving into your house and caliming your room, because you know if you never say anything they'll take over the rest of your house ( bad analogy, but I tried ). God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietfire Posted August 1, 2004 Share Posted August 1, 2004 (edited) Mikey, I am so sorry about the loss of your Uncle and I will be praying for the completer recovery of your cousin. I just think it's wonderful that someone on PM is from Iraq. Hopefully, you can educate us all on life there, I dont really watch the news anymore, but I listen to it on 880 News out of NYC(on my radio) I heard about the two churches, I had heard that one was a Catholic Church, the other was simply stated as christian. Since you still have alot of family in Iraq, is there anything I can do for them, besides prayer. I've been having these urges to do SOMETHING lately, and its getting stronger. PM me if you need to. Peace. Edited August 1, 2004 by Quietfire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popestpiusx Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Dusty, can you root your pacifism in any Church teaching? Can you find an example of a Saint who would share your view (or whose view you share)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted August 2, 2004 Author Share Posted August 2, 2004 (edited) I'm not sure if she's a saint yet, but I like to think that Mother Teresa and I would get along swimmingly, because we believe in helping people. St. Monica, perhaps, who did not force religion on her son, but prayed for him with all her heart that he would be converted. Edited August 2, 2004 by Dusty Fro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Yeah my uncles car got totalled in the blowing up of the Churches, and my cousin got hurt real bad. I don't know what we can do more than pray, but prayer does alot. My cousin requested that I pray for him for his recovery, he's almost in college now. He didn't really deserve it, I don't know him to be bad, and the family is very religious, this is the 2nd bomb thats affected them. It's not easy to stop muslim terrorists. I'm going to go to the prayer room and see if anyone can help me out. Thanks for your concern. Fro, you clearly aren't Catholic, or are misled by protestant thinking, so before we can go on, can we get a rundown of your religious views? God Bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Mother Teresa said nothing to show pacifism in the least bit, she taught of helping the poor. St.Monica didn't force her religion on her son, and neither has the Church forced her religion on anyone. Neither of these women are pacifist. Please remember St. Joan of Arc, who led an army, and any other fighting saints. Thats not pacifism, in the list bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 neither Blessed Mother Theresa nor St. Monica would argue against the right of a sovereign ruler to defend that which it is sovereign over. Christendome was in danger, she was defending herself. some crusaders took that war and decided to use it to kill as many muslims as they can. but the crusades intentions was to defend Christians and Christendome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted August 2, 2004 Author Share Posted August 2, 2004 see the post "calling all non-Catholics" for my background, then if you have any remaining questions, I'll answer those directly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted August 2, 2004 Author Share Posted August 2, 2004 Did any crusaders or modern Catholics for that matter, consider that violence, even defensive violence, instead of "turning the other cheek" might provoke Muslims, only strengthening their anger. You're giving them what they want after all. Every Muslim wants to be a martyr for Allah. I guess Catholics do too. Look at all the saints who were martyrs. Not all of them were active fighters though. Some were burned at the stake for turning the other cheek. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aloysius Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 the muslims were killing Christians in the Holy Land. if we didn't defend ourselves there, they were going to spread and take Europe and kill Christendome the sameway the spread throughout the whole mideast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelFilo Posted August 2, 2004 Share Posted August 2, 2004 Pacifism makes me sick, not because it's values, but it's lack of ability to partake in the realities of life. We live in a world of sin, killing is one of those. IF the Christians were to just let the muslims kill all the Christians in the Holy Land, and start encroching on Christendom, then they would of forfieted Christianity. That would make no sense at all. God bless, Mikey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Fro Posted August 2, 2004 Author Share Posted August 2, 2004 Well this is getting nowhere. Yeah, I think I'm done with this message board for good this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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