Lay People With A Really Long Name

[traichuoi]

[quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jul 27 2004, 12:47 PM'] jeff,

can you provide the paragraphs from the GIRM that present this rule?

thanks,
phatcatholic [/quote]
i was going to ask the same thing!

[Theoketos]

[quote name='Madonna' date='Jul 27 2004, 09:59 AM'] That's right: the extraordinary ministers of the holy Eucharist. What a name.

I was under the impression that they were not to give a blessing to children and to those who cannot receive Communion. I thought this was reserved for ordained clergy.

Can anyone clear this up? I cringe whenever I see an EMHE give a blessing during Communion time. [/quote]
Actually From [i]Redemptoris Sacramentum[/i]

[quote]The Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion
[154.] As has already been recalled, "the only minister who can confect the
Sacrament of the Eucharist in persona Christi is a validly ordained Priest".254
Hence the name "minister of the Eucharist" belongs properly to the Priest alone.
Moreover, also by reason of their sacred Ordination, the ordinary ministers of Holy
Communion are the Bishop, the Priest and the Deacon,255 to whom it belongs therefore
to administer Holy Communion to the lay members of Christ's faithful during the
celebration of Mass. In this way their ministerial office in the Church is fully and
accurately brought to light, and the sign value of the Sacrament is made complete[/quote]

Which means that they would be EMoHC..

The Black Cardinal is killer awesome!

About the blessing thing... I do not think that we will find it in the GIRM, because that is not the M.O. of the Girm.

The thought would have to develop from various documents, (and maybe a Scott Hahn book). Basically the Priest is only person who is in the Person of Christ, and is the only one that may thus carry out the operation of that Office. And as stated above, there are certain things that should be reserved for a priest. One of those would be giving a blessing to people whilst they go up for spiritual communion.

What I think should happen is the EOMoHC should say "This is the Body of Christ", and then nod the person out of line. That way they may Gaze upon the Body of our Lord, and receive grace from it, but not become confused as to what is really happening.

Also I think that there is a different species of blessing that all who are among the kingdom of priests (with a small p) can give, id est after some one sneezes, or parents asking for God to bless their Childern, or Childern asking their Parents to bless their marriage.

I Guess the big difference is one is [i]asking[/i] for a blessing the other one is [i]bestowing[/i] a blessing.

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Madonna' date='Jul 27 2004, 07:59 AM']That's right: the extraordinary ministers of the holy Eucharist. What a name.
I was under the impression that they were not to give a blessing to children and to those who cannot receive Communion. I thought this was reserved for ordained clergy.
Can anyone clear this up? I cringe whenever I see an EMHE give a blessing during Communion time.[/quote]
The giving of a blessing by one person to another person indicates a spiritual power or authority on the part of the one bestowing the blessing over the one receiving it. Only those in Sacred Orders should give blessings in a liturgical celebration. Therefore, Extraordinary Ministers of Holy Communion should not be pretending to impart blessings when they have no spiritual power to do so. An Extraordinary Minister of Holy Commonion has no power to bless anyone, because they are not ministers in the true sense of the word, but have only been temporarily deputed (in extraordinary cases) to distribute Holy Communion. The Holy Father himself eplained this theological distinction when he stated that, ". . . the exercise of such tasks [i.e., distributing communion] does not make Pastors of the lay faithful: [b][i]in fact, a person is not a minister simply in performing a task, but through sacramental ordination. Only the Sacrament of Orders gives the ordained minister a particular participation in the office of Christ, the Shepherd and Head, and in his Eternal Priesthood[/i][/b]. The task exercised in virtue of supply takes its legitimacy formally and immediately from the official deputation given by the Pastors, as well as from its concrete exercise under the guidance of ecclesiastical authority." [Pope John Paul II, Apostolic Exhortation [u]Christifideles Laici[/u], no. 23] In other words, only those who have received Sacred Orders are true ministers in the Church. In addition, the [u]Code of Canon Law[/u] states the following about the giving of blessings, which are a form a sacramental:

[quote name='Code of Canon Law' date=' canon 1166']Sacramentals are sacred signs which in a sense imitate the sacraments. They signify certain effects, especially spiritual ones, and they achieve these effects through the intercession of the Church.[/quote]
[quote name='Code of Canon Law' date=' canon 1167']§1 Only the Apostolic See can establish new sacramentals, or authentically interpret, suppress or change existing ones.
§2 The rites and the formulae approved by ecclesiastical authority are to be accurately observed when celebrating or administering sacramentals.[/quote]
[quote name='Code of Canon Law' date=' canon 1168']The minister of the sacramentals is a cleric who has the requisite power. In accordance with the liturgical books and subject to the judgement of the local Ordinary, certain sacramentals can also be administered by lay people who possess the appropriate qualities.[/quote]
[quote name='Code of Canon Law' date=' canon 1169']§1 Consecrations and dedications can be validly carried out by those who are invested with the episcopal character, and by priests who are permitted to do so by law or by legitimate grant.
§2 Any priest can impart blessings, except for those reserved to the Roman Pontiff or to Bishops.
§3 A deacon can impart only those blessings which are expressly permitted to him by law.[/quote]

[Theoketos]

I wish that I could write in such a beautiful manner.

[Cure of Ars]

Ya, Apotheoun have you written any books?

[HomeTeamFamily]

so.....the EMoHC can not give a blessing?

what does one do when a person comes up with arms crossed over the chest then? should that person just stay seated? would it be wrong to ask God to bless the person?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='lankyswimmer' date='Jul 28 2004, 09:16 PM'] so.....the EMoHC can not give a blessing?

what does one do when a person comes up with arms crossed over the chest then?  should that person just stay seated?  would it be wrong to ask God to bless the person? [/quote]
Coming up in the line for receiving communion in order to get a blessing is an unauthorized practice, which has no support in the liturgical rubrics for celebrating Mass. The pastor of the parish, or if necessary the local Ordinary, should address this abuse by instructing people not to come up for a blessing during the communion rite. In the Roman Rite the priest blesses the entire congregation before the dismissal; and in the Eastern Rites, the priest blesses each individual at the conclusion of the Divine Liturgy when everyone processes up in order to venerate the icon on the tetrapod and receive the antidoron.

Edited July 29, 2004 by Apotheoun

[Guest JeffCR07]

wow Apotheoun, you covered that one solidly, thanks a ton, and awesome job!

[Madonna]

Thanks, now I'm not just a prude, but a [i]justified[/i] prude.