If It Came Down To This...

[flip]

This is just a "what if" thing. I found that most of what the Democratic party stands for is often in line with Church teaching, excet the abortion issue. I have found that I am a Pro-life Demorat. The problem is that I do not have a pro-life democratic ticket.

So, the problem is that I am porbably going to vote Bush, solely on the the abortion issue... but is this right? Most of what bush stands for I am totally against! I am TORN!!!

(BTW you know that the POPE said that the war in Iraq was an UNJUST war?)

[J.R.D]

due i dont like politics period so i wouldnt vote at all

[StColette]

I voted " Against them, Abortion is a big enough issue" because if they believe everything the Church teaches but are pro-choice they are not a Catholic, they may say they are, but in truth they are being hypocritical. I would rather suffer under someone who didn't believe what the Church teaches and is pro-life, then rather be lead by someone who thinks its okay to kill innocent children. I'm grounded enough in my faith and stubborn enough that if someone who doesn't believe in what the Church teaches were to try and persuade me to change my mind, it wouldn't happen lol

[J.R.D]

dude i dont ever wanna mess with you

[Ash Wednesday]

Oh, Lord. Here we go again.

[flip]

yeah, but none of these political parties are "catholic". they have no religous ties...

[StColette]

[quote name='J.R.D' date='Jul 23 2004, 04:26 PM'] dude i dont ever wanna mess with you [/quote]
with you ? me ? lol

[azaelia]

[quote] I found that most of what the Democratic party stands for is often in line with Church teaching, excet the abortion issue.[/quote]

Such as...?

[AbsolutFire]

Cardinal Ratzinger has said that Catholics could, in good conscience, vote for a candidate who was pro-choice if their other standings were in line with the Church or if there were no other candidate who could perform better (for full text of the article I read, see the last issue of the Texas Catholic www.texascatholic.com).

It is a very tough issue. I think, however, that a political party/candidate that was 100% with the Church except for abortion is a near impossibility. I would be suspect of their leanings in other areas as well.

In realitry, I have lately begun to consider voting for John Kerry. I in no way agree with many of his stances....but if they were to be outweighed by his polilitical beliefs i do agree with, i could vote for him in good conscience. Also, his (even if nominal) being Catholic is a big thing. On one had, it is, i think, seriously wrong, to call one's self catholic and then to disagree with the Church, especially on something as important as Life or death and especially publicly. However, I also believe that professing Catholicism, even if only in name, is at least, professing a Faith, however lacking. And a shiveled seed of Faith is still infinitely better thatn no Faith at all. I pray for the conversion of all politicians, but especially for those who have been Reborn through Baptism and Sealed thorugh Confirmation. The Holy Spirit will not abandon those whom He has chosen, as long as they maintain even a sliver of openness to Him.

So! No simple answer to your poll from me, Flip!

[StColette]

Okay if they still have to no ties to the Church and are Pro-choice they are commiting a very very grievous sin. Like I said you can suffer under someone who doesn't believe what you do, most of us do it every time we debate with people outside the Catholic faith or get called devil worshipers by them, it only makes us stronger. But the one who believes in all that the Church teaches except they are pro-choice is instantly saying that its "okay" to kill innocent unborn children. I would rather suffer under someone who doesn't believe what I do, then under someone who is going to say "okay" to the killing of unborn children

[conservativecatholic]

The anti-abortion party may be in favor of euthanasia, gay-marriage, stem-cell research, and human cloning. The party in support of the Church would be against those particular issues. I would strive to reform that one "big" flaw in the Pro-Choice/Pro-Catholic Party so it could become the perfect political party.

[azaelia]

John Kerry is a hypocrit. I don't care whether he says he's Catholic or not. Madonna said she was Catholic for Pete's sake, and then she went out to photograph a book on sex. And don't forget that Kerry is the one who wanted to attend Mass in a church he knew would refuse him communion so he could plaster it all over the news. How Catholic of him. If we're talking proclaiming faith, I think Bush also deserves some credit.

[flip]

these are the three that come to mind:

Death Penalty
un just wars
helping the less fortunate (health care and welfare)

other democratic aspects that help me:
Funding for the arts (JP II is a HUGE supporter of the arts)
I am a minority


These are the things that make me democratic...
the only thing is this: I cant stand ABORTION! and I think "marriage" belongs in a Church. "Civil UNion" is a totally different story...

[AbsolutFire]

no, you're right, azaelia. one of the things i've really respected about Bush is his (at least outward show of) faith. like i said, it's a tough thing. so often, i feel like we are forced to choose between the lesser (and oftentimes there''s not much difference) of two evils.

i've spent a bunch of my thinking life trying to be arch-conservative, and it's been hard shifting to being neither republican nor democrat, but Catholic.

[Don John of Austria]

[quote]Cardinal Ratzinger has said that Catholics could, in good conscience, vote for a candidate who was pro-choice if their other standings were in line with the Church or if there were no other candidate who could perform better (for full text of the article I read, see the last issue of the Texas Catholic www.texascatholic.com[/quote]\

Absolute fire please post a link to this articale as i couldn't find it on texasCatholic.com, this is not in keeping with other statments Ratzinger has made, no=r is it in keeping with the other teachings of the Church, so I am highly suspect, can you give a name to the letter this is ascribed to or anything.