mom25angels Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Jul 26 2004, 08:37 AM'] Someone asked what material we're using: Saint Joseph's Baltimore Catechism. Need I say more? [/quote] Well, I find this very helpfull for my ELEVEN YEAR OLD!! It's got some really retro cartoons in it. Could it be in a few years you can laugh about this?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theculturewarrior Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Actually, it could be worse. St Joe's Catechism was written for children, but it is orthodox. They could have you reading Commonweal or National Catholic Reporter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted July 26, 2004 Author Share Posted July 26, 2004 Sometimes I wonder... I just wish that they'd give me something else to read.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p0lar_bear Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Mrs. Bro. Adam, I posted this in a different thread, but I think it still applies... The RCIA is a process, not a set of classes. While most people identify RCIA with the catechesis, the pastoral and liturgical elements are just as important. Even if the catechesis is not helpful for you, the major and minor rites done throughout the RCIA are a source of grace for continuing conversion. In addition, the relationships you build with the other candidates and catechumens can be very helpful. You have a distinct advantage with phatmass to have people who have gone through the things you are going through or will go through. Most people in the RCIA don't have that, so the community developed there can be very important. Even though you have phatmass, the people here aren't in your community. The relationships you develop through the RCIA can help you feel at home in your parish community. In addition, whether Bro. Adam likes this or not, at some point it does come down to an issue of obedience. Submission to the Church means not only following the Church's teachings on faith and morals, but also recognizing and obeying legitimate ecclesial authority. I can tell this is very frustrating for you, and I'm sorry for that. I don't want to come off as attacking you, and I don't want to make matters worse. You asked for what we thought... Most people are answering based on how you can help others, so I thought something on how it might be helpful to you might be in order.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted July 26, 2004 Author Share Posted July 26, 2004 Thanks Polar_bear. I'll make a public confession: I'm not very good at interacting and meeting and getting to know people when I'm going through something that frustrates me. But I know that I do have to be patient. Lord grant me patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
socalscout Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 I hope I did not seem like I was attacking. I had little time so I had to get to the point so I apologize if I came off negative. What I am trying to say is that this is a great opportunity for you to experience some wonderful events in the Rite of Initiation regardless of the structure of the class. Also I still think this might be a call from the Holy Spirit to maybe become an instructor or even take over the RCIA class. God Bless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Jul 26 2004, 10:56 AM'] Thanks Polar_bear. I'll make a public confession: I'm not very good at interacting and meeting and getting to know people when I'm going through something that frustrates me. But I know that I do have to be patient. Lord grant me patience. [/quote] I have a hard time meeting and interacting with people too. I feel for you. I had a hard time with my godson when he was in RCIA (I only wish he'd had the St. Joe's books). The "group" stuff was hard to take and the joke of a "retreat" we had to go on practically made me scream the entire time we were there, but in the end it wasn't for me, it was for my godson and for the greater glory of God and I'm glad we did it. Hang in there because this too shall pass. Offer up your sufferings for those in need. Hang in there and come rant to us if you need to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 [quote name='p0lar_bear' date='Jul 26 2004, 11:52 AM'] In addition, whether Bro. Adam likes this or not, at some point it does come down to an issue of obedience. Submission to the Church means not only following the Church's teachings on faith and morals, but also recognizing and obeying legitimate ecclesial authority. [/quote] Recognizing and obeying ligitimate ecclesial authority so long as it is asking something legitimate. St. John of the Cross and St. Therese were both right for disobeying legitimate authority because legitimate authority asked them to foresake God for worldly living. Obviously it is an extreme example, but it should get the point across. Normally we need to obey even if we don't like it, but there are circumstances in which one would not obey. But in this case it has nothing to do with obeying or not obeying. No "order" has been given beyond visiting 2 more classes. So it really has nothing to do with obeying or not obeying. It just has to do with phatmasser's opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Adam Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Of which Dust has given the best answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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